Get your SPIDER-MAN II on!!

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

I guess the thing I am wondering is -- will this be the best movie of our lifetimes, or will it be the best movie of anyone's lifetime?

I am thinking the latter. The only way they can ruin it would be if they have the mask off and Tobey's face there for most of it.

Oh, and he ought to say "HE FOULED ME" in every movie.

Because it's going to be so great, I will be seeing it five times. I'd like to see the best movie ever that many times.

How great do you guys think it'll be? It'll put an end to that "Citizen Kane" and "Casablanca" argument, won't it?

[Da King]

Thought Spider Man one was terrible. Worst CGI EVER. Expectations for the sequel are so low, I wont even bother to watch it on free television.

[pinback]

Everyone -- even respected critics -- are calling Spiderman 2 an astounding achievement, in a completely different league from its predecessor, and one of the best movies of its kind ever made.

Word to the wise.

[Debaser]

Thought Spider Man one was terrible. Worst CGI EVER.

That's a bit of an exagerration. But I can't think of a case where a single, seemingly innocuous design decision did more overalll damage to a movie than not sticking a fucking moving mouth on the Green Goblin costume. Two faceless characters kung-fuing eachother while overdubbed voices played in the background was just so unbearably Power Rangers.

I'll probably see the new one this Saturday. Probably.

[danzaland]

The only way they can ruin it would be if they have the mask off and Tobey's face there for most of it.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
I'm doing the whole black text thing so I don't spoil it for ye:
Overall it is a decent film.
His mask is off for most of the movie.
Things I have a problem with:
Spidey sense was sometimes working sometimes not. How convienent....
Too much Aunt Mae
So when Doc Ock finally builds the machine how does he actually intend to use it to his benefit and what is the benefit? It's not like the platform had wheels on it and he could walk into a bank and say give me the money or I give you all a sunburn....OH and how is it that he or anybody around doesn't A) burn their retinas out and B) get the afore mentioned sunburn. What did he plan to do with it????
From the trailer when the car gets tossed through the window.... DOc Ock was well over a block away around the back of a building. Did he throw the car and then run back behind the building? Or does he have such a nice curveball that he can get a BMW to break around the corner of a building?

Kirsten Dunst LOOKS LIKE A TWO BIT WHORE. Can you say trailer trash? She looked better in Drop Dead Gorgeous when she played trailer trash. Does she have a lazy eye? That shit freaks me out.

Somebody please tell Hal Sparks his 15 was up 45 minutes ago.

Okay so the Sun machine pulls all kinds of metal into it form all over. They cut to a shot where blocks away a bunch of cars are pulled toward the Sun. But the 10 cranes in the shipyard right there have NO DAMAGE what so ever. Wouldn't the Sun still be making a pull on these things as it plunged to the bottom of the ocean.

How far off shore was that thing. Didn't look like much. It's not like he was out to sea. It is not THAT deep there.

SO we are supposed to believe the Spidey powers are coming and going? Okay so how does he not break his neck after falling 10 stories and landing on his head and bouncing off a car, only to say "Oh my back".

The CGI was a little better in some spots.

I did like the movie in general for what it was, a popcorn movie.
One bit o editing I did like was what I'll call the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid sequence. Atleast that is what I think they were going after with that.
The opeing credits were excellent. You say how can opening credits be excellent? The artwork was excellent as was using them to briefly cover the first film. I have been told that the artist is "the best" comic artist around.

[Worm]

If you put the black text in a quote box I think that trick would work.

Yeah it does.

[danzaland]

Okay so it isn't complete black, but it isn't easy to read and hence does not easily spoil the movie for ye.

[Worm]

Okay so it isn't complete black, but it isn't easy to read and hence does not easily spoil the movie for ye.

Actually I haven't read any of your message because the black is far to easy to read.

[AArdvark]

I have been told that the artist is "the best" comic artist around.

I though Jack Kirby was dead. I dint even pick him in the dead pool either.


Or was that someone else...


THE
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AARDVARK

[AArdvark]

OK I saw it Sat. night. Better than the first one. Liked the character flaws, really CAN wait until the next one omes out (son of Green Goblin) Physics were WAY off. Cant figure out what the force was that was pulling everything into the center of the sun ball thing. Gravity would have pulled EVERYTHING in not just selected bits of junk. Magnetisim (think MRI) would have just pulled the ferrous metals only But at one point I see some woman's necklace get pulled off her body. Most jewelry is made of gold or silver, non magnetic. There's selective forces going on here, people. there are a couple other things that I wont go into. I wont let all these movie things bother me, though, it's just a comic book. However...

RANT MODE ON

This makes the FIFTH time I have gone to a movie and had people TALKING DURING THE PICTURE! Talk all you wnat during the commercials, during the trailers BUT KEEP YER HOLES SHUT for the movie. I believe that the majority of people are incapable of NOT TALKING for two hours. Haw hard can it be? I do it, my wife does it. JUST KEEP QUIET!!

But no, last night the person behind me had to REPEAT every one liner out loud. Annoying as fuck. Had to talk about what was going on and ACTUALLY POINTED OUT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER MOVIE BECAUSE THEY SHOWED BILL DAFOE GETTING HIS KID INTO THE GREEN GOBLIN LAIR!! They figured that out all on their own! Then they had to tell the person next to them because nobody else could be smart enough to get that plot point.
There was also group of youngsters throwing candy and running up and down the stairs a couple times, ruining the suspension of disbelief. Totally unacceptable theater behavior.
I said as much to the manager and voiced my belief that the movies weren't worth going to anymore if stuff like this happens on a reguler basis. he offered to give us a couple rain checks, but that's not solving the problem, is it, Mr. manager. It's that evil television and cell phones that are the REAL cause here...

RANT MODE OFF

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AARDVARK

[Lysander]

First of all, I really did like this movie a lot. Very cool villain who keeps his goal in sight, and some very moving scenes. That said, I--as always--have a few gripes and notable scenes to touch on. And thank God that I do! This would be a pretty fuckin' boring review otherwise!

I really, really liked the credits sequence. Very comic book-esque, and consisted of one of those "last time, on Spider Man..." type of twenty-second recaps so popular in the days of spiderman. Very retro--and I dont' mean that sarcastically at all, I think that that's quite spectacular.

That said, the opening of the movie is somewhat--how do I put this? Cringe-inducing. I mean, really. I can see what the filmmakers are trying to do--show the fact that Peter cannot seem to balance his own life with that of being a superhero--but they first of all do it so blatantly--they might as well beat us in the head with a giant sandbag with a sign on it saying "Peter! Parker! Is! Having! A! BAD! WEEK!" And... really, the public doesn't appreciate Spiderman, the villains certainly don't appreciate Spiderman, and considering what it's doing to his life I kind of doubt Peter appreciates Spiderman a whole hell of a lot either. So the responsible thing to do would be to put the super-hero-ness on hold for a few weeks--until he can get a job, get his education settled, get out of debt, pay for his bills, etc. Which, later on, is exactly what he does--only by that point it is almost moot, because much of his problems are already solved.

Furthermore, Peter Parker (movie version) appears to have the cunning security/secret identity protection of the interrupting cow. Aunt May suspects, Mary Jane knows, his best friend knows, all the villains know... As far as I can tell, practically the only person in New York city who doesn't know that Spiderman is Peter Parker is J. Jameson. Who, I must say in this cunningly-designed seguay, is a fantastic character played by a fantastic actor who did fantastically in this movie. Seriously, I want the third movie to just be about Jameson yelling at people. I would so watch it.

Also, Mary Jane--I'm sorry, I really am, but I just cannot stand her. I know that it's all part of the commic and so they have to put it in there, but that doesn't stop me fervantly praying for her squishy demise inside a meat tenderizer. Can we say "blatant fanservice!" children? Can we? Can we? I knew you could!

Aardvark was right on the money, someone needs to re-certify his physics degree, because there's a lot of stuff in there that's just plain wrong.

The last few scenes--while they are very well-done and fun to watch--make little sense and are somewhat arbitrary. Just completely ignoring the question of how Harry heard his dad's voice in his head, I want to know where Normon Ozborne found the time to make three more gliders. What, was it just in his *spare time* from making Kirsten Dunce scream, making pumpkin bombs, looking at himself in a mirror, making Spiderman his archnemesis, failing to kill his archnemesis, setting fires, bombing places, and generally being a total pain-in-the-ass villain? And I really want to know Harry's reaction--I mean, he first of all knows that his best friend killed his dad, and if he can't figure out that his dad was the green goblin by this point than he is roughly the stupidest person in the history of comic books, including the Juggernaut. So.. what? Does he become the next Green Goblin? If so, than he will have the most idiotic vendeta in the history of villains, excepting Terry Bogard from Reforming Evil Can Be Tricky. Although, I suppose that this is a clever ploy (TM) that the moviemakers are using to make me want to see the next one. Well, they didn't have too. I'll be seing it, have no fear.

This has been... Lysander at the movies!

[Roody_Yogurt]

Maybe I was too tired, but I'm guessing that in the long run, I'm going to prefer the first movie to the second one. Still, it did some things I'm happy with, like getting some of that drama out of the way (which I had expected to carry on for another movie), so I expect the third to be the one where the fun really lets loose.

I have to say, just as my brother hated the whole "you mess with Spider-Man, you mess with New York!" sentiment of the first one, c'mon, carrying him over everyone's heads, Jesus-style, is going way too fucking far.

[Debaser]

The first movie is dead to me now. DEAD!!!

9.996 x 10^-15* out of 1.001 x 10^-14*!!!

Yeah the whole post-coital train scene was a bit much, hence the deduction. Still, when the New York guys decided to STAND UP FOR WHAT WAS RIGHT and Otto just casually parted them like the Red Sea (of BLOOD), that almost made up for it.

ADDENDUM:

What was the deal with the skinny Greek chick? I mean, obviously she wanted to tingle Peter's Spider Sense, but her scenes seemed a bit extraneous. Is she supposed to turn up again later on? Is she someone from the comics?