Matthew Good - Avalanche

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun May 11, 2003 7:04 am

It's good, but if I burn it to a CD I may do so without the song "21st Century Living" on it. It's about as painful as listening to Zebrahead and Sum 41 quote date rape and teenage suicide statistics in a couple of thier songs. I don't ask for much as a fan of pop music. I really (sadly) don't. But man, at least keep your venting in 4/4 time and don't go into this spoken word territory.

Roody_Yogurt · Post by **Roody_Yogurt** » Sun May 11, 2003 9:10 pm

I'd normally agree just because I remember dusting off my Queensryche _Empire_ tape several years ago and thinking, man, I actually thought it was cool that they quoted these statistics back then?

At the same time, I give Zebrahead a free pass since it seems to go along with their brand of hip-hop infused rock.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun May 11, 2003 10:24 pm

Roody_Yogurt wrote:At the same time, I give Zebrahead a free pass since it seems to go along with their brand of hip-hop infused rock.

I actually like the song "What's Goin' On?" up until that point. But it's impossible to play that song in your car with someone there when they start telling you that one in five girls that are a freshman in college are horribly carved into wood shavings by the Scissorman or whatever it is they say at the end there. I mean, they made their point with the lyrics in the song. *I* didn't commit any sex crimes while in college, so maybe they could put out a second version of the song for people like myself. But the thing is, anytime you play a CD in your car with another person there, you are inadvertedly responsible for the band's name and very bop things like the quoting of criminal statistics. It's oftentimes not responsibility that I am prepared for.

Roody_Yogurt · Post by **Roody_Yogurt** » Sun May 11, 2003 10:40 pm

Yeah, it's already there in the song, but I think it's the bands way of saying, yeah, we really mean it, this stuff is out there, and the statistics about it being someone the person knew can hopefully help warn someone who's too dumb to realize that stuff anyway. People are so inclined to think, 'this couldn't happen to me... it happens to other people, and probably people I don't know.'

As far as being responsible for the listener in your car, I know what that's like. Last year, I put together a mix cd that included the song "Fingers" by Dan Bryk which is a somewhat simplistic and almost laughable account of his being molested as a young teenager by his piano teacher, then transforms into a revenge fantasy in which "Fingers" is begging for his life before being killed. I like the song because it shows how the world is fucked up beyond our comprehension and shows empathy to its victims, but when I played that mix when I had some friends over the other month, they laughed and were like, "what the fuck?" So who cares, they missed the point.

Anyway, there's always Zebrahead's cover of "Wannabe."

P.S. Dan Bryk is the probably the only guy who has written a song about an Apple II programmer, with "Mark Turmell V 2.0."

danzaland · Post by **danzaland** » Mon May 12, 2003 4:37 am

I agree 21st isn't one of the stronger songs on there

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon May 12, 2003 8:38 am

Look, you being reasonable about it and everything -- I need to explain to you how we do things here, my friend. Now think of a reply that insults me, my taste in music, and then offers up a cheap shot taken at an innocent bystander nowhere near this thread and we'll have something.

Seriously though, I'm liking the disc.

danzaland · Post by **danzaland** » Mon May 12, 2003 9:10 am

21st Century is still better than any Hall and Oats song ever written or performed.
Daryll Hall---Hack
John Oats---No talent Hack

This is like the scene from Ax Murderer or Back to the Future...Yes Goddamnit George swear

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon May 12, 2003 10:34 am

You'll pay for your insolence on that comment, Monahan.

Also: Hey, Matt Good there needs to not harsh on throwing a can of creamed corn into the Salvation Army bin around Christmas time. That shit's tasty.

Also #2: In terms of third-world debt relief, I think he may have recorded his song before Bush announced all that money which was going to go fight AIDS and AIDS's little cronies in Africa. So while debt relief may not exist (and I find it very hard to believe that we are actually getting money and cash payments from these third-world countries, and stopping them from improving their nations because they have to cut a check to us) we ... well, we meaning you and I, as taxpaying American citizens and not Good here, are at least contributing in our own way towards that.

...

... It occurs to me, now that I know there is at least one Canadian poster here, that I could come off as being anti-Canada or anti-Canadian or something. This is the furthest thing from the truth, in fact, I would go so far as to say that the greatest ally any nation has ever had has been Canada's relationship with the United States. There isn't any other country or civilization throughout time, history, or science fiction that I'd rather share a border with than Canada. And I, of course, feel terrible that we have given them as much industrial pollution and Tom Cousineau as we have.