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The Thread In Which I Sell ICJ On "Boogie Nights"

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ICJ wrote: Boogie Nights. Really. Top ten? Why that one? Sell me on Boogie Nights, I've never seen it.
Well, alright. I'll try, anyway.

Of course, it can be a difficult sell, depending on how the salesman approaches it. If I come up to you (Robb Sherwin) and say, here, watch this, it's a two and a half hour movie about porn in the 70's, of course you (Robb Sherwin) would probably get so angry you'd stomp out of the room, stopping only to kick a hole in the wall.

So I'm not going to do that. Particularly since Robb IMed me that his three biggest misgivings about the movie were that 1) it was two and a half hours long, 2) it was about porn, 3) it was set in the 70's.

I suppose I could tell you instead that it is actually a 70-minute movie about a guy in the future who builds a time machine to go even farther into the future to blow shit up with lasers, and while Burt Reynolds kind of looks like a futuristic laserguy in the movie, you will probably begin to suspect I've lied to you once he starts asking Marky Mark about his cock five minutes into it.

So, I guess I can just list some of the things about this movie which make it so fantastic, despite the subject matter and the length. (Of the movie, not of Marky Mark's fake monster cock.) (Well, not necessarily of that.)

To watch this movie is to watch one of the great film makers of our time burst onto the scene with the unbridled ferocity of a giant, rabid, mutant kitten. How Anderson went from making Hard Eight, an excellent but quiet thriller about a loser finding a father figure in a more mature loser, to this artistic explosion of epic proportion is really amazing. You would never have known he'd have this sort of movie in him. Though I remember watching it for the first time, thinking, I didn't know anyone had this kind of movie in them. I'd never seen -- experienced -- anything like it. Two and a half hours of raw, blistering power that just continued to bludgeon you from all sides with its fists of originality and energy.

Stylistically, it is no secret to say that he borrows very liberally from Scorcese and Tarantino, but at the same time manages to outdo them both in terms of audacity and technical bluster. All the tricks of the trade are here, from copious use of music, ridiculous tracking shots (one of which starts, I think, in a bedroom, and ends up underwater in a swimming pool), to all the rest. His followup, Magnolia, is often criticized as being too flamboyant in its stylistic excesses, and it seems reserved next to this.

All of this wizardry is nothing if it's not in service of an entertaining story. Now, the subject matter may or may not interest you, but the frailty of the human experience which is the focus of the story arc is not exclusive to the porn industry of the 70's. It is timeless and universal.

Of course, we can say simply it's a cautionary tale about the excesses of money, drugs, whatever, and we can say "been there, done that". Which may be a fair argument, but you certainly won't notice that while you're watching it. For one thing, it's not a story about one guy, it's a story of a bunch of people, all on the same ride, but all affected it by it differently, and watching how their relationships come about and change is fascinating.

This is a whole family of people who all believe they are doing the right thing, who so very genuinely and naively believe that they are headed in the right direction, while we the audience see otherwise.

Then one night, in one of the more memorable, shattering sequences in movie history, everything comes to a head, and it starts to become clear that while they thought they were climbing the ladder to heaven, they were all the while digging themselves into hell. Nice imagery, huh? I thought of that in the shower this morning.

But who cares, right? Even all THAT wouldn't be any good if the movie just wasn't a blast to watch, and I'm telling you -- I'm telling you, Robb Sherwin -- that this movie is a friggin' blast to watch. It's a riot. It's hilarious, sad, exasperating, goofy, all of it. You ask me if it's a long 2.5 hours? My friend, it is the shortest 2.5 hours in all of moviedom. You ask me if we will be able to throw quotes back and forth, as we've begun doing with all the other PTA movies? Boy howdy, can we.

It shares the "dangers of excess" theme with There Will Be Blood (with money, drugs, and fucking in place of oil), but there's one other thing it shares, which is that where you would expect the movie to end, one last, completely bizarre and off-the-wall scene shows up -- a scene of such brutal intensity that you will never, ever forget it, and one of those scenes that changes the way you hear a particular song. Much like you can't hear "Stuck In The Middle With You" anymore without picturing Mr. Blonde torturing Marvin Nash and cutting his fucking ear off, this scene has a similar effect. It's just ten minutes of amazing cinema.

The fact that the other 140 minutes are just as good is astonishing. You may complain about the ending not being "final" enough, but as with Blood, I think the movie ends when there's really nothing more you need to see. Any more frames would be wasted. And you'll be too exhilarated and exhausted from the ride that you'll be ready for a nap anyway.

In conclusion, you should see this movie because it is:

1. Exciting.
2. Hilarious.
3. Amazing.
4. Awesome.
5. Great fun.
6. Almost zero scenes showing a closeup of a 12-inch donger.
7. Has a character named Rollergirl, which you appear to think is a good thing.
8. One of the best movies ever.
9. You will like it.
10. Trust me.
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Sounds good to me. I gave up watching Rated R movies to get closer to my Methodist God, so as long as it's not that, we're golden! Whoo-hoo!
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Oh, you!

Seriously, though, you should remove 2001 from your Queue and replace it with Boogie Nights.

You will hate 2001, and you will not hate Boogie Nights.
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Hey! I already WROTE a review of this movie in the "PTA Weekend" thread which should have already convinced you, you jew!
My Goddamn Self wrote: Boogie Nights: I saw this movie when it first came out on videotape, and when I still thought that Paul Thomas Anderson was the porn actor "Paul Thomas" trying to branch out into legitimate cinema, and had this reaction: "This is a fucking amazing movie." I've seen it now four or five times, and every time, I have the same reaction. I know Magnolia is 3+ hours and I say it just flies by, but this one's over 2.5 hours, and it WARPS by. There is not a moment in this movie that isn't crackling with energy, and it's an energy so well harnessed that you just have to shake your head in wonderment and say "holy shit". The role all of the main characters should be most fondly remembered for -- Burt Reynolds, Heather Graham, Marky Mark, Nina Hartley... And I will tell you this -- the "long way down" scene at Rahad Jackson's place, with the dude setting off firecrackers in the background, is one of the singularly most tension-filled, brilliantly conceived scenes in movie history. Like you'll always remember where you were when you first heard the Jaws theme, you'll always remember Night Ranger singin' "You're motorin'..." ****1/2
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Is this a remake of the movie from the seventies with the same name?



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There is no movie from the 70's of the same name.
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That's EXACTLY what people say about the bugs that keep coming out of the walls in my closet and playing jazz music on tiny little pianos.



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I can't tell. Did I sell ICJ on Boogie Nights?
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Yeah, I am going to watch it this weekend if Dayna has already seen it, and just move it up in Netflix so we can watch it together if she hasn't.
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ICJ has been sold on Boogie Nights!

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pinback wrote:There is no movie from the 70's of the same name.
There is a phonorecord* of the same name, not a movie.

"Boogie Nights, for all...
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*Federal law defines a sound recording which is "fixed in a tangible medium" as a "phonorecord," which would include records, tapes, player piano rolls and MP3 files.

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By the way, in honor of this thread, I watched Boogie Nights again this weekend, and I must say that I completely agree with everything I said.

(Except the tracking shot which ends in the swimming pool actually doesn't start in the house, it starts out by the pool and then spins around all over the place, spanning four or five different scenes.)
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In honor of this thread, Boogie Nights is AT OUR HOUSE! I'ma watch it this weekend.
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How's that coming along, then?
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We watched it over the course of two days. A movie really, really needs to have a good reason to be longer than 90 minutes, as far as I am concerned, and it's nothing against Boogie Nights - hundreds of movies can't justify their extreme length.

I should mention that we saw, after concluding Boogie Nights, a movie from 2001 called "The Shaft." It is basically about a killer elevator, and it was one hour and forty-nine minutes long. The Shaft should have been 83 minutes. It felt like four hours and twenty-two minutes. By comparison, Boogie Nights was two hours and thirty-five minutes, and felt like two hours.

I guess that is a long-winded way of saying that Boogie Nights was not a slog (not by any means) but there's only so much you can do to make your movie fly by. You are probably thinking to yourself, "What an asshole. There's nothing anyone can do about the length of movies, and if you really have a problem with that then movies aren't for you."

But I am only, now and for the next few paragraphs, highlighting the negatives. I enjoyed the movie! It's a perfectly fine movie, very entertaining. I shall comment on some things that I think could be improved.

- There were a few characters that could have been cut. I like movies with William Macy and Don Cheadle in them, but they didn't exactly have a lot to do. Though I did read later that after William Macy blows his head off (spoiler) it sort of signifies things going bad for the characters.

- The doughnut scene was amazing, especially in context. I totally thought he was going to get beat up because of his inter-racial baby, and the director changed things around on me. So that was GOOD. But was there really enough money in a doughnut store safe to make the difference when it came to opening his store?

- I think my main GRIPE with PTA's films is that he will take large amounts of time to depict characters getting their comeuppance from their horrible, horrible actions and decisions, which just brings forth from me a desire to yell at the screen. "You are a cokehead! Yes, you are not going to get custody of your kid!" "You see nothing but the worst in people! Yes, you will be a miserable old oil man!" "You cheated on your husband! Yes, you should be ashamed of yourself when he's on his death bed!"

And this seems to be a theme in his films, and it's beyond me. I don't even think he's moralizing, which a lesser filmmaker would do.

But there are plenty of self-contained little storyettes that work amazingly well in it. "The drug deal scene" at the end was great. PSH breaking down into the "I'm a fucking idiot" bit was powerful. This has to be the best work Burt Reynolds has ever done. And so forth. Oh, and the donut scene was totally kick-ass. Scenes like that make the movie impossible to dislike. If you are scanning this text to see me say, in no uncertain terms, that I enjoyed it, here we go: I enjoyed it. But the depictions of the results of a set of horrible decisions made by people up on the screen is something that PTA isn't going to stop doing, and that stops me from fully enjoying his movies with the same passion that you do.
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This is why Punch-Drunk is generally either people's favorite PTA movie or their least favorite. It is the one that doesn't follow the themes of the others, which you've elucidated marvelously for us here.
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The one thing I did not care for in Boogie Nights, and possibly the only thing I did not care for upon retrospect, was the 70s wanking. Two scenes do come to mind.

The first is when we get to see Dirk's room before he is Dirk. I was like, "he's not seriously going to pan the camera three hundred and... ah... yes, yes he is."

And then the extended tour through Dirk's house once he hade made a lot of money. I despise that shit. It's especially irksome because the movie is over two hours in length. And I say that as someone who is one mouse costume away from having created a Chuck E. Cheese in his home.
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Also, in terms of my enjoyment factor, I'd go as follows for now:

1. Boogie Nights
2. There Will Be Blood
3. Punch-Drunk Love
4. Magnolia

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Now it's time to SELL JONSEY ON HARD EIGHT!

Here is all I'll say:

1. C'mon, it's just barely over an hour and a half.

2. C'mon, you're SO CLOSE to having seen all PTA movies. Why stop now?

3. C'mon.
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I will say that I am now done getting all up in the face of people who don't like PTA movies like I do. Hey, you like whatever you like, that's fine. I like these movies a lot, but I can see that it's not everyone's thing.

So, I now pronounce the "Pinback Berates Everyone Into Watching And Liking PTA Movies" era of Jolt Country OVER.

I will be closing several other Jolt Country Eras over the coming weeks.

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