NFL Week Two Thread!

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:14 am

I have a bid in on a piece for my MAME cabinet. Will I remember to stave off snipers, or will the Saints draw me close to the TV and mess this up for me? Let's just say there are no 20-1 odds anywhere in this thread!

Also, Greg has to go up against the team of the other Sherwin brother, with New Orleans playing Tampa Bay in that sweet pirate ship stadium they have. FIGHT!

gsdgsd · Post by **gsdgsd** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:43 am

And it's an early game, too, so I can watch part of it as God intended (in a bar).

It's a question of which is strongest: the Buccaneers' general sucking, or Drew Brees' desire to screw over my fantasy team.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:00 am

Your team is awesome and mine sucks. I haven't seen a good game out of the Saints in MONTHS. It's getting ugly.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:03 pm

28-0, and the Saints are losing in a way where you can't believe they will ever score a touchdown again, much less beat someone this year.

6+ quarters without a touchdown on offense. WOW. Luckily, I can do a 0-2 start standing on my head. I'm like a razor-honed knife edge at this kind of thing.

gsdgsd · Post by **gsdgsd** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:42 pm

If it makes you feel any better, I think I'm going to stop playing Brees next week, so he should return to form promptly. Geez.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:31 pm

I'll tell you what, if you do decide to not play Brees (or, the first time you do not play Brees this season) and he goes off, I personally guarantee you that I will make a trade that overwhelms you for him.

But that is just jinxy, made-up stuff. It pains me to see him tank your FF team, but congrats on the Bucs! Those receivers are going to put up a lot of points this season. Just having a competent QB in TB who doesn't have his head up his ass is going to solve a lot of problems that have plagued your boys the last couple of seasons.

gsdgsd · Post by **gsdgsd** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:46 pm

Actually, Brees outscored my backup, and improved greatly on his -1.9 points last week. He's back in my ... decent graces?

I can't remember the last time I saw the Buccaneers go into the half ahead 21-0. Or throw two touchdown passes in a half.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:45 pm

The GOOD (for me): Eagles are 0-2. Nobody in the NFC South is undefeated. The Saints do not play a Cover/Tampa-2 defense next week.

THE BAD (for me): If the Saints win, then great, who gives a shit? If they lose the season is over. If they do happen to win, we're all just waiting for the other shoe to drop, where that shoe is the next Cover-2 we play. For Christ's sake, we played a Cover-2 in flag football when my brother still lived out here. Only one team ever figured out how to beat it. I guess we should hire the captain of that flag team to help out the Saints.

That reminds me, I am going to interview my brother about football.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:49 pm

My brother has many talents. He can do deadly impressions of non-famous people, he can discover music that I enjoy four weeks before it hits any radio station, and he used to play college football. I will now ask him questions about - TOPIC ONE!! - football!

Q: Mike, a Cover-2 defense is one where there are two safeties deep, and they break on the ball once its thrown, correct? What's the best way to defeat this defense? Did you play it in college? What kind of athletes / players do you need to correctly run this defense?

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:55 pm

No, seriously, Mike! Don't be shy!

pinbacker · Post by **pinbacker** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:03 pm

I would also like to know these answers.

Knuckles the CLown · Post by **Knuckles the CLown** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:54 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:My brother has many talents. He can do deadly impressions of non-famous people, he can discover music that I enjoy four weeks before it hits any radio station, and he used to play college football. I will now ask him questions about - TOPIC ONE!! - football!

Q: Mike, a Cover-2 defense is one where there are two safeties deep, and they break on the ball once its thrown, correct? What's the best way to defeat this defense? Did you play it in college? What kind of athletes / players do you need to correctly run this defense?

Jesus Christ.

A cover two defense has corners up and safties back
like this

...........FS..............SS

CB.................................CB

The Free Safety (FS) and Strong Safety (SS) are the same thing in this D with "zone" responsabilities. They each must cover the deepest wide receiver (WR) on their half of the field.

The Corner backs play the outside most WR and try to jam for the first five yards of his route. The linebacker, typically 3 in this case cover the middle of the field in between the cornerbacks and in front of the safeties.

How to beat it? You beat it by getting WRs in to soft spots in the zone. When the defense is in cover two you cannot run certain patterns. A five yard out will result in a TD for the defense because the two corners are playing outside and between 0-5 yards of the line of scrimmage. So... quick slants to the inside, inbetween where the CB and LB would be are effective. "fade", seam and slant patterns are the best way to defeat it. X marks the 4 most vulnurable spots in the defense. They can be achieved by sending a WR down the sidline on a fade, or on a slant to the middle. Or by a Tight End who line up near the linemen running straight down the field inbetween the LB's

..............S.................S
x...................................................x
.................. x..........x...........

...........LB.........LB........LB

CB......................................CB

Now... You can also run what is called a "flood" This is where you send multiple WRs in to a zone but they are running differnt patterns. Like running one WR down the sideline, and on a deep slant on the same half of the field, this forces the Safety to have to cover two guys. If he sucks and chooses one you have a TD by throwing to the other WR, the safety has to best split the difference between the guys and be able to break on the ball when the QB decides.

Talent plays a major role here. If you have a good pass rush, nobody has to cover long. Sometimes linebackers are sent in to blitz leaving a gaping hole in the zone. Good QBs see who blitzes and fire to the WR in that vacant zone.

Unfortunatley teams will also show a Cover Two but when the ball is snapped revert to other forms of D. WRs convert their patterns to different zones. The WR and the QB must both recoginze this. The defense in this case is in a "Cloud" defense I belive. I guess cloud means like clouding their intentions.

So next time yyu see a QB throw to 10 yards of empty dirt, somebody usually converted to the wrong pattern. And next time you think TO, Moss or Plaxico are mindless thug idiots, remember they do have the ability to read defenses in seconds and process that to run correct conversion routes on the fly.

Knuckles the CLown · Post by **Knuckles the CLown** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:54 pm

thanks prick I wasted all that time for you to start an irrelevant thread right after it.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:21 pm

This season is over, who gives a shit? No fucking football for me in two of the last three years. Fuck this garbage, this is positively sickening.

pinbacker · Post by **pinbacker** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:30 pm

Hit "Replay", maybe it'll come out differently this time!

EDIT/PS: Knuckles, I enjoyed your analysis of the football. I didn't understand much of it, but I could tell it was coming from someone who understood it, which I don't, which is why on every football video game I've ever played, including the robot one, I just call "Z slant" on every play (*).

(*) a technique which beats both the computer and Jonsey on any football game you'd care to mention.

Vitriola · Post by **Vitriola** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:35 pm

My life is GREAT right now. Even the cats are scared.

NFL Week Two Thread!

NFL Week Two Thread!

INTERVIEW WITH MY BROTHER: Topic #1. "Football."

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