Fahrenheit 9/11

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:17 pm

I made a horrible error in judgement when I watched this movie.

I figured I'd start cooking dinner, a nice slow stewed dish (Chicken Paprikash), watch the movie while it simmered away, and then chow down while the end credits rolled.

Now I can't eat.

God. Jesus God. Maybe the most depressing, infuriating (and also somehow hilarious) movie I've ever seen.

God.

Tell you what, I'ma buy a van, drive around the country to pick all you guys up, and then we all hightail it to Canada.

Jesus.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:53 pm

I heard he was gonna try to get it aired on free tv right before the election. Hey, power to him if he's able to do that. I guess the main reason in not doing it would be so that it doesn't tank DVD sales? It's not like he's spending a lot to make them, you'd think if he really cared he'd let this one go.

"We want the airwaves, baby." -- The Ramones

"Thas right thas right" -- The Ramones

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:28 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:It's not like he's spending a lot to make them, you'd think if he really cared he'd let this one go.

As convinced as I am that everything Micheal Moore does is more about his own fat ego than any sort of social conscience, I doubt this would be entirely his call. There are producers and distributors and stuff who have some financial and legal stake in him not just giving it away, I'm guessing.

chris · Post by **chris** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:45 am

The guys distributing the movie are actually very anti-Bush, so it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to forego some profits to show that movie on TV the day before the election. The problem is that none of the major networks will want to broadcast it...they're either run/owned by pro-Bush people, or they're afraid of the political reprocussions. Offhand, I can't think of any major cable station that'll broadcast it either...most are owned by the major networks now.

If you saw the movie and want to do something, just go out and vote for Kerry. He may not be a perfect man, but he's a hell of a lot smarter/braver than Bush. I hear that Colorado has suddenly become up-for-grabs, as the Republican's traditional hold on the state has apparently evaporated. Your vote now means something.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:49 am

Comedy Central would air it.

You know, that's not that bad an idea, that idea that I just came up with. To have Comedy Central air it. It's a funny movie (in parts). CC, makers of the Daily Show, hate Bush.

That is what should happen. I hereby declare that that is what should happen.

chris · Post by **chris** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:54 am

pinback wrote:Comedy Central would air it.

You know, that's not that bad an idea, that idea that I just came up with. To have Comedy Central air it. It's a funny movie (in parts). CC, makers of the Daily Show, hate Bush.

That is what should happen. I hereby declare that that is what should happen.

You're aware that Comedy Central is owned by Viacom, the same company that owns CBS, a slew of other cable channels, and Infinity Broadcasting (the company Howard Stern is on), right? Do you really think they want to risk MORE shit with government by airing the movie? Can you imagine what Bush would do to them if he got re-elected?

Now if "The Daily Show" were to have Moore on as a guest and they showed some of the more important clips from the movie, then they might get away with something.

Here's a helpful website that tells ya who owns what:

http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/index.asp

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:06 am

chris wrote:You're aware that Comedy Central is owned by Viacom, the same company that owns CBS, a slew of other cable channels, and Infinity Broadcasting (the company Howard Stern is on), right?

You're aware that waxing smug by starting a sentence with "you're aware that..." is the height of pugnacious arrogance and obnoxiety, right?

Do you really think they want to risk MORE shit with government by airing the movie? Can you imagine what Bush would do to them if he got re-elected?

Showing Fahrenheit 9/11 would be a mere drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of hours of anti-Bush programming they've already aired.

chris · Post by **chris** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:34 pm

pinback wrote:You're aware that waxing smug by starting a sentence with "you're aware that..." is the height of pugnacious arrogance and obnoxiety, right?

I'm not waxing smug, I simply asked you if you knew a relatively common bit of information. It's not like I asked you if you know the solution to Fermat's Theorem or anything.

(You DO know the solution to Fermat's Theorem, don't you?)

Worm · Post by **Worm** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:07 pm

It was alright.

He's just a huge douche bag. I have a hard time caring when bad things happen to people I don't know, so maybe that's why I wasn't really impacted.

Lysander · Post by **Lysander** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:09 pm

I'm disappointed in the movie, honestly. The things it says are great, excellent, couldn't ask for more. What I take issue with is the way it is presented. Mr. Moore's desire is to "show the people they've been dooped." This movie, however, tells them that they have been dooped. No, wait, it's not even that, he tells the American people "You've been dooped, you idiots." I mean, what's the point of watching the movie? If you're going to vote for Kerry you are already going to vote for Kerry. If you are a hard-core Republican, and therefore stupid, you are going to vote for Bush and that is all there is to it. The only reason I can see for why someone would want to watch a movie like this is if they are unsure about who they want to vote for, and wish to be convinced. So you don't need to hammer the point home to make them listen. Because if they're watching the movie, they're already listening. And a repeated barrage of insults is the best way I can think of to get people to stop listening. The attrocities are horrible enough that they can be strung together completely without any type of snide running commentary and people will understand it. Being told something by someone who has something to gain by convincing the person listening is the best way to get the person to instinctively distrust the omniscient third-person voice. Especially when he reattles off statements that are not cited--I know he cites them on his website, but how many people will check? And quoting Orwell at BUsh is about hte must smug, self-righteous thing he could do, and I don't like watching propaganda movies made by smug and self-righeous people. And all of these are legitimate problems with the movie, which means Republicans have an excuse to rail against it; "Don't watch that movie, it's just Democrats being biased!" or something equally ridiculous. I think that if Moore had put his movie together with the aim of convincing people to vote for someone other than Bush, as opposed to making money by shocking the populous, it would have been a far, far better movie.

danzaland · Post by **danzaland** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:51 am

Lysander wrote:I'm disappointed in the movie, honestly. The things it says are great, excellent, couldn't ask for more. What I take issue with is the way it is presented. Mr. Moore's desire is to "show the people they've been dooped." This movie, however, tells them that they have been dooped. No, wait, it's not even that, he tells the American people "You've been dooped, you idiots." I mean, what's the point of watching the movie? If you're going to vote for Kerry you are already going to vote for Kerry. If you are a hard-core Republican, and therefore stupid, you are going to vote for Bush and that is all there is to it. The only reason I can see for why someone would want to watch a movie like this is if they are unsure about who they want to vote for, and wish to be convinced. So you don't need to hammer the point home to make them listen. Because if they're watching the movie, they're already listening. And a repeated barrage of insults is the best way I can think of to get people to stop listening. The attrocities are horrible enough that they can be strung together completely without any type of snide running commentary and people will understand it. Being told something by someone who has something to gain by convincing the person listening is the best way to get the person to instinctively distrust the omniscient third-person voice. Especially when he reattles off statements that are not cited--I know he cites them on his website, but how many people will check? And quoting Orwell at BUsh is about hte must smug, self-righteous thing he could do, and I don't like watching propaganda movies made by smug and self-righeous people. And all of these are legitimate problems with the movie, which means Republicans have an excuse to rail against it; "Don't watch that movie, it's just Democrats being biased!" or something equally ridiculous. I think that if Moore had put his movie together with the aim of convincing people to vote for someone other than Bush, as opposed to making money by shocking the populous, it would have been a far, far better movie.

Christ I tried to read this 3 times and it all ended up looking like the Kevin Spacey diaries from Se7en

Michael Moore had his agenda to get out with this film. there are a lot of facts he presents but it is only part of the story. Sure he asks some questions, but they are soft balls!. I saw it in the theater when it came out so I have forgoten exactly what his film looks like but he could have gone soooo much deeper! Look at this film and ask deeper questions. Dig deeper.

Worm · Post by **Worm** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:00 am

danzaland wrote:Look at this film and ask deeper questions. Dig deeper.

So, just go to infowars? :P

I think all deeper questions are totally mote as long as the brunt of the people hold hate in their hearts.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:03 am

Worm wrote:
danzaland wrote:Look at this film and ask deeper questions. Dig deeper.
So, just go to infowars? :P

I think all deeper questions are totally mote as long as the brunt of the people hold hate in their hearts.

Infowars is a start. And again you should be reading this stuff for yourself. DO you have the time or desire to comb through all kinds of newspapers from across the globe? Probably not. This is why I like infowars. You can get the link and read it for yourself.

And yes there is too much hate in people's hearts.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:05 am

Anonymous wrote:And yes there is too much hate in people's hearts.

How much is the right amount?

bruce · Post by **bruce** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:10 pm

pinback wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And yes there is too much hate in people's hearts.
How much is the right amount?

About 2.5 cc.

Bruce

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:17 pm

danzaland wrote:Christ I tried to read this 3 times and it all ended up looking like the Kevin Spacey diaries from Se7en

Ha ah ah ah ahaahahahahaha!!

Occam · Post by **Occam** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:36 pm

danzaland wrote:I saw it in the theater when it came out so I have forgoten exactly what his film looks like but he could have gone soooo much deeper! Look at this film and ask deeper questions. Dig deeper.

Damn, I seem to be getting a bit shaggy and can't find my razor anywhere.

Bruce's Beard · Post by **Bruce's Beard** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:02 pm

AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:27 am

I understand that if you play the movie with the sound down and play Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon' at the same time
everything turns into a love-fest. Someday, when juipter is in the second house and venus aligns with mars, I will try it..

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