by Tdarcos » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:31 pm
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Tdarcos wrote:She mentioned how difficult it was to find a decent doctor there. I pointed out that really good doctors, the ones that can make a fortune because they're really good, gravitate to New York or Los Angeles.
I guess? I had my ACL repaired by a really good doctor, and the one who tells me I am too fat and need to lose weight is also awesome. So I certainly haven't had any trouble finding a good doctor. I'm also not fighting asshole cancer, either.
Looking at what I said, I realize that I should have said "how difficult it was to find a decent doctor
who will respect that when a female patient mentions she has a problem, will not dismiss her complaints as hysteria there."
A man complains he has a serious pain in his chest, a doctor gets very concerned and wants to do tests. A woman says she has a serious pain in her chest,the doctor says she's overreacting.
Andrea told me you could basically summarize almost every doctor's response to her complaining about digestive problems, back pain (to the point she had to take morphine until she started getting steroid injections in her spine), and other problems: "You're too fat."
She points out that she was a DES daughter (was born to a woman who took the drug DES during the pregnancy of their conception), and it didn't ring any alarms. (DES fucked up a lot of people who were conceived by women who took it during pregnancy).
This includes
women doctors as well. Doctors, in general [that she found in the Denver area] tend to take mens' health issues very seriously, and tend to undertreat or often dismiss women's problems, or just immediately presume giving her a pill to shut her up was the answer.
Andrea told me at one point she had a bottle of pills she had been given prescriptions for but didn't take because the side effects were horrible, did nothing for her, didn't fix the problems or just plain were unnecessary to solve her medical problems. You know those 5 gallon bottles they ship water in? She filled one of those in just two years, and once she filled it (just for demonstration purposes) she would throw the rest away.
The slightly better ones stay on the right and left coast, and most of the lesser ones travel inland because of the stiff competition in major East- and West-Coast cities.
Well, in my opinion you'd have to be a sick psychopath or have family to live in either of those two cities, so I guess it takes all kinds.
Oh please. I used to live in Los Angeles County for 15 years and my sister lived in New York for years. There are definite advantages to large cities. New York is a massive city, and thus you can find almost anything there. Plays, entertainment, social interaction, and I suppose if you go that way, the various illicit pleasures including recreational drugs and rentable women.
A lot of people like Southern California because of the fact it doesn't really have weather, it has climate. Here in Maryland, if it gets to 20 or 30 degrees during the winter, you put on warm clothing and a thick coat, and no one says otherwise, the newscasts just report it as straight weather news.
In Southern California, if it gets to 50 degrees they talk about a spell of really bad weather and
unseasonable cold.
But the fact remains it's the exact opposite. A sociopath (the current term being used for psychopath) has either almost no concern or no concern about other people, no empathy. A person would very likely live in those cities because they
like crowded cities and places to get lots of interaction.
Your typical psychopath is a loner or avoids other people, they tend to have problems with human interaction. You don't choose to move to or live in a major city if you don't want human interaction (unless you can't afford to move). Ted Kazinski lived in a shack when he was the Unibomber. Timothy McVeigh was mostly a loner who lived in rural areas and apparently had a lot of trouble making friends.
So they have no choice, they have to give the second guy a license. Dr. Nolen said in his book how he shudders every time he thinks about the patients that this guy has been unleashed upon.
This guy can't get better? He was two points away from being considered expertly competent, right? (I am not arguing with you on any point, by the way, Paul -- I am just talking in general.)
No, reread what I said. He was two points
below the minimum considered necessary to at least be minimally competent to get a license. Consider this, for most people, getting a license to drive is about as difficult as getting wet in a rainstorm, it's not that hard. But consider how bad someone might be as a driver if they were
ten points below the minimum to get a drivers' license. (I'm using ten points here since the medical exam is much more difficult by comparison.)
I know I've heard a number of companies moved out of the Denver area to other places specifically because they could not find the highly-technical people they needed.
I think word has gotten out how beautiful it is, though. That being said, my company IS having a bit of trouble finding competent programmers. We are getting a lot of people going to coding interviews who simply can not/will not code. Dunno if that is a Denver thing a "my company" thing or an industry thing.
I sometimes wish I had moved out to Denver when I first moved out four years ago. Andrea, unfortunately, had a boyfriend so that wasn't a choice (she admitted she's not the type to see someone else if she's involved with someone.) When I could walk, I looked for work lots of places, it was very difficult even getting an interview for places that wanted programmers. (Big problem here: a lot of places require you have a security clearance.)
[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey"][quote="Tdarcos"]She mentioned how difficult it was to find a decent doctor there. I pointed out that really good doctors, the ones that can make a fortune because they're really good, gravitate to New York or Los Angeles.[/quote]
I guess? I had my ACL repaired by a really good doctor, and the one who tells me I am too fat and need to lose weight is also awesome. So I certainly haven't had any trouble finding a good doctor. I'm also not fighting asshole cancer, either. [/quote]
Looking at what I said, I realize that I should have said "how difficult it was to find a decent doctor [color=violet]who will respect that when a female patient mentions she has a problem, will not dismiss her complaints as hysteria[/color] there."
A man complains he has a serious pain in his chest, a doctor gets very concerned and wants to do tests. A woman says she has a serious pain in her chest,the doctor says she's overreacting.
Andrea told me you could basically summarize almost every doctor's response to her complaining about digestive problems, back pain (to the point she had to take morphine until she started getting steroid injections in her spine), and other problems: "You're too fat."
She points out that she was a DES daughter (was born to a woman who took the drug DES during the pregnancy of their conception), and it didn't ring any alarms. (DES fucked up a lot of people who were conceived by women who took it during pregnancy).
This includes [i]women doctors[/i] as well. Doctors, in general [that she found in the Denver area] tend to take mens' health issues very seriously, and tend to undertreat or often dismiss women's problems, or just immediately presume giving her a pill to shut her up was the answer.
Andrea told me at one point she had a bottle of pills she had been given prescriptions for but didn't take because the side effects were horrible, did nothing for her, didn't fix the problems or just plain were unnecessary to solve her medical problems. You know those 5 gallon bottles they ship water in? She filled one of those in just two years, and once she filled it (just for demonstration purposes) she would throw the rest away.
[quote][quote]The slightly better ones stay on the right and left coast, and most of the lesser ones travel inland because of the stiff competition in major East- and West-Coast cities.
[/quote]
Well, in my opinion you'd have to be a sick psychopath or have family to live in either of those two cities, so I guess it takes all kinds.[/quote]
Oh please. I used to live in Los Angeles County for 15 years and my sister lived in New York for years. There are definite advantages to large cities. New York is a massive city, and thus you can find almost anything there. Plays, entertainment, social interaction, and I suppose if you go that way, the various illicit pleasures including recreational drugs and rentable women.
A lot of people like Southern California because of the fact it doesn't really have weather, it has climate. Here in Maryland, if it gets to 20 or 30 degrees during the winter, you put on warm clothing and a thick coat, and no one says otherwise, the newscasts just report it as straight weather news.
In Southern California, if it gets to 50 degrees they talk about a spell of really bad weather and [i]unseasonable cold[/i].
But the fact remains it's the exact opposite. A sociopath (the current term being used for psychopath) has either almost no concern or no concern about other people, no empathy. A person would very likely live in those cities because they [i]like[/i] crowded cities and places to get lots of interaction.
Your typical psychopath is a loner or avoids other people, they tend to have problems with human interaction. You don't choose to move to or live in a major city if you don't want human interaction (unless you can't afford to move). Ted Kazinski lived in a shack when he was the Unibomber. Timothy McVeigh was mostly a loner who lived in rural areas and apparently had a lot of trouble making friends.
[quote][quote]So they have no choice, they have to give the second guy a license. Dr. Nolen said in his book how he shudders every time he thinks about the patients that this guy has been unleashed upon.[/quote]
This guy can't get better? He was two points away from being considered expertly competent, right? (I am not arguing with you on any point, by the way, Paul -- I am just talking in general.) [/quote]
No, reread what I said. He was two points [i]below the minimum[/i] considered necessary to at least be minimally competent to get a license. Consider this, for most people, getting a license to drive is about as difficult as getting wet in a rainstorm, it's not that hard. But consider how bad someone might be as a driver if they were [i]ten points below[/i] the minimum to get a drivers' license. (I'm using ten points here since the medical exam is much more difficult by comparison.)
[quote][quote]I know I've heard a number of companies moved out of the Denver area to other places specifically because they could not find the highly-technical people they needed.[/quote]
I think word has gotten out how beautiful it is, though. That being said, my company IS having a bit of trouble finding competent programmers. We are getting a lot of people going to coding interviews who simply can not/will not code. Dunno if that is a Denver thing a "my company" thing or an industry thing.[/quote]
I sometimes wish I had moved out to Denver when I first moved out four years ago. Andrea, unfortunately, had a boyfriend so that wasn't a choice (she admitted she's not the type to see someone else if she's involved with someone.) When I could walk, I looked for work lots of places, it was very difficult even getting an interview for places that wanted programmers. (Big problem here: a lot of places require you have a security clearance.)