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Cassette comeback

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:21 am
by AArdvark
What the hell is this?
i could not wait to get rid of all my tapes! i'd rather see more albums than tapes.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:12 am
by Flack
What a terrible idea. Having the cassette player in your car (if you even still have one) eat your tape is just one of the negative possibilities. Leave a tape sitting on your dash on a hot summer day and you'll come back to it sounding a bit warbled. And then there's the physicality of storage. My 32 gig iPod holds approximately 8,000 songs. You really don't want to be hauling around 800 cassette tapes in your car, do you?

To me, cassette tapes are old enough to be outdated, but not old enough to be retro yet. Maybe there is some weird longing for that technology, but wait until a kid finds out the AA batteries in a Walkman only last a couple of hours before the tape starts draaaginnnnng ...

The only remotely good thing about that idea (releasing a band's album on cassette) is that it gets you mentioned on the web.

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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:04 pm
by Tdarcos
Flack wrote:What a terrible idea. Having the cassette player in your car (if you even still have one) eat your tape is just one of the negative possibilities.
Eventually a CD/DVD will degrade. How long "eventually" is depends on how they were made; some older CDs degraded in as little as ten years. Current estimate I think is 50-100 years. You also failed to mention that magnetic tape is endangered by household and stronger magnets; magnets will do nothing to a CD/DVD or even a jump drive.

I missed the chance to pick on your phrasing by asking if you no longer have a car how do you travel? :)
Flack wrote:Leave a tape sitting on your dash on a hot summer day and you'll come back to it sounding a bit warbled.
No advantage for CD/DVD here; it will do the same thing as tape or vinyl phonorecords since the base structure is plastic too.
Flack wrote:And then there's the physicality of storage. My 32 gig iPod holds approximately 8,000 songs. You really don't want to be hauling around 800 cassette tapes in your car, do you?
Or 80 MP3 cds. If you make a "mixdisc" - my own expression - where you burn a CD of perhaps 125 mp3s, a typical DVD player hooked to a TV can read the disc structure and play them, actually showing you the files and directories. I have aproximately 2500 mp3s, I take my CDs and RIP them. This saved me when I got evicted, I lost my original "regular" CDs I ripped from - which basically sat in a packed case, no longer used - and backup MP3 disc copies, but I still have the MP3s on hard disc.
Flack wrote:To me, cassette tapes are old enough to be outdated, but not old enough to be retro yet. Maybe there is some weird longing for that technology, but wait until a kid finds out the AA batteries in a Walkman only last a couple of hours before the tape starts draaaginnnnng ...
I own about 10 rechargeable AAA batteries I use for my digital camera, which it uses 3 at a time. I carry 6 and when I use them I recharge them. The economics make so much more sense. A set of 4 AA or AAA alkaline batteries sell for perhaps 80c in quantity, a set of 4 rechargeables sell for perhaps $5. Do the math; if you use anything that "eats" batteries, e.g. uses them faster than a wall clock or smoke detector, at a rate exceeding 2-4 times a year, you really need to switch to rechargeables. If you're going through batteries 2 hours at a time, a set of 16 will allow you to change out 3x every day and recharge them as they drain.

Basic cost is about $30 based on buying two sets of 4 with charger for $10 each and 2 battery-only packs for $5 each. A set of 24 alkaline might cost $10 and would be used up in a week. A set of 16 rechargeables thus runs $60, and will last about 4 years, figuring $30 for the batteries and 1c worth of electricity a recharge for 1,000 times. The break-even point off the top of my head is about one month. Plus you only spend the first $30 upfront, the other $30 is bled of at 1c a day per set over the years.

There are rare cases where Alkaline is a better choice, that is, slow drain, like, as I stated, clocks and smoke detectors, or long-term stability like storing flashlights, because of the one problem rechargeables have, that the battery doesn't hold a charge a long time, good rechargeables do maybe a month or two, alkaline have multi-year stability. (Witness freshness dates on batteries sold now having "use by" dates of 2014 and later.)

Before someone "hoists me on my own petard," yes, I know a smoke detector uses a 9V, not an AA or AAA but the economics still apply. Rechargeables have a "capital cost" of about 5 times that of alkaline but a vastly superior "total cost of ownership" for fast-use and high-drain applications.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:05 pm
by AArdvark
Flack wrote:
Leave a tape sitting on your dash on a hot summer day and you'll come back to it sounding a bit warbled.

Tdarcos replied:
No advantage for CD/DVD here; it will do the same thing as tape or vinyl phonorecords since the base structure is plastic too.

AArdvark commented:
What kind of car stereo has a turntable in it?


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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:53 pm
by Tdarcos
AArdvark wrote: What kind of car stereo has a turntable in it?
People sometimes left phonorecords they took to other places on the dashboard. Also, as crazy as it sounds, some cars back in the 1960s - possibly 1970s - actually did have phonograph turntables. Mounted over the transmission hump IIRC. I have no idea how it was done.

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:29 pm
by AArdvark
I know, I was just having fun. A friend of mine was a DJ back in the milk-crate days of having to haul all that vinyl to gigs ans back. He would never leave any albums in the van even if he had to move them twice as much.

never seen a car with a turntable in it. Sounds...skippy to say the least.

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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:23 am
by Flack
Bad timing for those guys -- Sony is stopping production on cassette Walkmen.

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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:46 am
by Tdarcos
AArdvark wrote:never seen a car with a turntable in it. Sounds...skippy to say the least.
I saw one in an episode of Modern Marvels. "On the History Channel."

Extra credit: Under Federal law, what is the technical term for mp3 files, player piano rolls, cassette tapes, CDs or audio DVDs? (It's the copyright term for sound recordings.)

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:06 pm
by AArdvark
I couldn't get five hours on my Walkman with four double A batteries! How could a laptop do better?

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:25 pm
by Flack
AArdvark wrote:I couldn't get five hours on my Walkman with four double A batteries! How could a laptop do better?
That's what I thought, too. A friend of mine and I back in high school used to go on road trips to Tulsa in the back of his mom's van. Tulsa's 2 hours each way, and I remember changing out batteries almost every trip -- either that, or listening to slooooooow tuuuuuuunes.

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:04 pm
by AArdvark
Where the vinyl meets the road

I guess there were a couple different hi-fi turntables available in them olden days.

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texting while driving aint shucks to flipping the record over at 65 MPH.


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