Lost

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:19 pm

Thank you.

Your descriptions of the last few episodes make it sound like the most insulting, childish and mindboggingly incredible waste of time any of us have ever encountered. I am not insulting anyone for watching it. I AM insulting the people that put it together.

Is what I am about to say correct?

Some asshole (whatever a "J. J. Abrams" is) had an idea for a television show. Some network let him make this show, and then didn't bother having a contract in place where the asshole had to stick around and finish the fucking show. Is that right? Was the network THAT incompetent?

I mean, I understand that the network didn't care what happened in the show as long as it got ratings. I understand that. But producers of television shows can leave any time they want? That seems a little dumb. I have heard that actors are tied to television shows for 7 years or whatever, and can only make real money if the show goes beyond that.

Is any of that correct? It's shows like "Lost' that make me feel that television is finally ... well, it's lagging behind movies, video games, radio shows, comic books and novels, in terms of how insipid the content is or isn't, but ... actually, no. There are maybe four good television shows in the history of tv, so nevermind.

AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:02 pm

There are maybe four good television shows in the history of tv

This is a top ten list waiting to happen. Off the top of my head I can't think of ten shows to lump together.

THE
MEDIUM
AARDVARK

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:02 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Thank you.

Your descriptions of the last few episodes make it sound like the most insulting, childish and mindboggingly incredible waste of time any of us have ever encountered. I am not insulting anyone for watching it. I AM insulting the people that put it together.

Is what I am about to say correct?

Some asshole (whatever a "J. J. Abrams" is) had an idea for a television show. Some network let him make this show, and then didn't bother having a contract in place where the asshole had to stick around and finish the fucking show. Is that right? Was the network THAT incompetent?

I mean, I understand that the network didn't care what happened in the show as long as it got ratings. I understand that. But producers of television shows can leave any time they want? That seems a little dumb. I have heard that actors are tied to television shows for 7 years or whatever, and can only make real money if the show goes beyond that.

Is any of that correct? It's shows like "Lost' that make me feel that television is finally ... well, it's lagging behind movies, video games, radio shows, comic books and novels, in terms of how insipid the content is or isn't, but ... actually, no. There are maybe four good television shows in the history of tv, so nevermind.

I don't think that's right. According to the Lostpedia (and God knows, you'll need it to get through the show), Abrams was brought in to help with the show's pilot. His name stuck with the show because, well, it's a big name. But according to his entry, he was brought in and helped develop the concept of the show ("mysterious island"), and co-wrote the Season One pilot and the Season Three premiere.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/J.J._Abrams

As for the series, I wouldn't base it based on what I said about any specific episode. It didn't come together until the very end. Like any good mystery, there were plenty of red herrings along the way, and I have no doubt there were many ideas that just never panned out. Still, I think on a big picture scale, it all came together.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:38 pm

That makes more sense then.

OK, Vark, I will start a list rather than ruin this thread.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:13 am

Nothing came together. Nothing was explained. To the very last episode, they were throwing in more "mysteries" that they never had any intention of "solving".

"What is the island?" viewers have asked since episode one.

"It's just a wacky island where weird stuff happens for no reason!" the writers answered after six years.

AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:02 pm

It's just a wacky island where weird stuff happens for no reason!

Did you say Sherwood Schwartz was one of the producers?

THE
SKIPPER!
AARDVARK

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:33 pm

Were there hot chicks on Lost, for 6 years, at least?

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:18 am

You're supposed to think Kate is hot. Kate is hot for your software development firm, but not for a TV show.

The blonde Aussie chick was very pretty.

That's about it.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:07 pm

My wife can't watch more than 30 minutes of television before getting up to clean something because she feels guilty about wasting time. And most of the time I let her, because our house looks like a pigsty.

That being said, when I finished watching the series (six seasons) in January, my wife was somewhere in the middle of season three. At a rate of only a couple of episodes each week she's been working her way through the series. Last weekend she finally got to the last season and is dying to know how it ends, so she's really started pushing forward. Over the past four nights she's watched 8 episodes. She's got 10 more to go, so I'm hoping she finishes it this weekend.

While I still enjoy/enjoyed the show, watching it a second time is much different. For one, I'm catching a lot of "hints" that the writers through in. The "flash-sideways" universe is much more obvious as to what it is (an imaginary land of redemption ... or self-loathing), and all the episodes with Smokie impersonating John Locke make much more sense as well. There were lots of little one-liners that I must've forgotten as they didn't make sense at the time.

The most frustrating thing about season six is the pace. We're halfway through it and they're still introducing new locations (the Temple) and people (Widmore's submarine goons) instead of solving it. Also, knowing how it all ends, a lot of episodes seem to drag. Last night's episode was really just about people walking back and forth across the island. Come to think of it, there were a lot of episodes like that.

Pinback, did you ever see Episode 18, the one that is only contained on the DVDs? It explains more about the island than the entire series does.

Next year we are going to Hawaii on vacation and there's a tour that takes you around to several of the filming locations.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:31 pm

I dunno, man. What's Episode 18? I remember an episode where we figure out that it's all in Hurley's head.

DID THEY EVER GO BACK TO EXPLAIN THAT? NO.

So throughout the entire length of the show, AND ever since then, I maintain it was all in Hurley's head. Which is totally pointless and stupid. But that's what they told us! Another little mystery for us to solve! Which is never solved!

Fuckin' show.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:14 am

It's a DVD only episode called "The New Man in Charge". It's about Hurley and Ben. The episode is about 12 minutes and it explains:

- Who is dropping food on the island.
- The polar bears, the Hurley bird, etc.
- Room 23

From Wikipedia: "Sam McPherson of TV Overmind graded the epilogue an A, deeming "If you didn’t like 'The End', you’ll probably love this."

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:56 am

pinback wrote:You're supposed to think Kate is hot. Kate is hot for your software development firm, but not for a TV show.

The blonde Aussie chick was very pretty.

That's about it.

I looked up "Kate from Lost" on the net, and found this page:

Incidentally, the plane was in safety deposit box 815 in the bank, which is the same as the flight number (Oceanic 815) and is present in the sequence of mystery numbers: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. What this means, we dont yet know.

Ha ha ha.

ooOoOO spooky numbers is so goddamn lazy.

There is a guy who is pulling an alternate reality game with the text game crew. Some secret messages have been to Rickroll people. So lazy.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:57 am

Flack wrote:It's a DVD only episode called "The New Man in Charge". It's about Hurley and Ben. The episode is about 12 minutes and it explains:

- Who is dropping food on the island.
- The polar bears, the Hurley bird, etc.
- Room 23

From Wikipedia: "Sam McPherson of TV Overmind graded the epilogue an A, deeming "If you didn’t like 'The End', you’ll probably love this."

Pinback, let's get you watching this lost episode. Come on now. This is your calling.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:09 am

FUCK THAT SHOW. I will not spend an addition second of time having anything to do with it.

(Other than posting here about how that show can get stuffed.)

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:28 am

Give me your brain. We'll get it watched and give it back. Just .. look, watch the lost episode.

AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:38 pm

This explanation of Lost is more interesting than actually watching the show. From what I've read it sounds like random stuff happening at weird times.

THE
THERE'S A FROG
IN MY SOCK
AARDVARK

Oh wait, now it's gone.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:42 pm

Ben is upset because the numbers on Lost, like many of the show's mysteries, are never explained. The numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 appear again and again throughout the show. Hurley uses those numbers to win the lottery. The numbers are also the serial number to the door on the hatch. The numbers also represent the "candidates" that could take over the role of protecting the island. Each of the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 are given a number; I'll let you guess as to the numbers of the last six survivors.

Some people, like myself, are perfectly fine with the theory that the numbers are a coincidence. Sometimes, weird shit happens. Other people need more of an explanation. The candidates are hand picked by a guy who has lived on the island for 2,000 years and regularly talks to people after he's died. Protectors of the island have magical powers (they live forever and cannot kill one another or themselves).

My nephew's name is Patrick O'Hara. He's in middle school, and plays football. He's a kicker, and would like to play college football for OU. The name of OU's current kicker? Patrick O'Hara -- no relation. Sometimes, weird shit happens.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:12 pm

Flack wrote:It's a DVD only episode called "The New Man in Charge". It's about Hurley and Ben. The episode is about 12 minutes and it explains:

- Who is dropping food on the island.
- The polar bears, the Hurley bird, etc.
- Room 23

From Wikipedia: "Sam McPherson of TV Overmind graded the epilogue an A, deeming "If you didn’t like 'The End', you’ll probably love this."

Just rewatched it. It also explains:

- Why food drops are still occuring after Darma was wiped out.
- Why pregnancies terminate on the island.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:59 pm

This guy does a pretty good job of explaining the gist of the entire series in less than three minutes.

[youtube][/youtube][/url]

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:01 pm

Pretend like I edited that post and fixed it.