Wally Ian settles a long-running debate on IMDB!

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Yet the show "That 70s Show" is, more often than not, funny.

There you have it, folks. That's all you have to know about your man Jonsey here.

Shut the fuck up. I hate just about every show on television with a far greater passion than you could muster if Shortcake managed to stuff a bottle of vodka up her piece and you were therefore able to simultaneously thrust away at her and it. I'm not just talking sit-coms either. I hate it all. ALL. But there are some good lines on that show, and if you are going to sit here and say otherwise you're just trolling.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Re-reading this thread, I see that I may have said some things last night which I regret.

I have a question for Ben, however: can you honestly say that a movie dealing with a subject matter that you have complete apathy for, if not outright revulsion, can be this OMG ***** affair for you? Is there no "type" of movie, or genre, that you can conceivably not see 'movie magic' from?

[pinback]

But there are some good lines on that show

More often than not, it's funny? MORE OFTEN THAN NOT?

How about, more often than not, it's one of the most obnoxious sitcoms in the history of television?

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I have a question for Ben, however: can you honestly say that a movie dealing with a subject matter that you have complete apathy for, if not outright revulsion, can be this OMG ***** affair for you?

Probably not, no. But as a perceptive movie viewer, I can pick up at least whether it's a WELL-MADE movie, whether it is well-written, creatively and provocatively directed, well-acted, etc. So even if it "wasn't my cup of tea", subject-matter-wise, I'm not going to go onto a public forum, where my name will be attached with the statements for time immemorial, and say that:

1. It SUCKS.
2. "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back" is a better movie than it.

I mean, that would just be stupid.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Probably not, no. But as a perceptive movie viewer, I can pick up at least whether it's a WELL-MADE movie, whether it is well-written, creatively and provocatively directed, well-acted, etc.

Oh.

Boogie Nights is probably well made and well written. But the "well made" thing is a bit dodgy: c'mon, what movie discussed by any of us ISN'T well made? Clerks? Fine. I'll give you clerks.

But I shouldn't have to go say how well-made Boogie Nights is. I don't have to go say how nice the box was that Grand Theft Auto III came in.

So even if it "wasn't my cup of tea", subject-matter-wise, I'm not going to go onto a public forum, where my name will be attached with the statements for time immemorial, and say that:

1. It SUCKS.
2. "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back" is a better movie than it.

I think I have realized the problem!

When I say "it sucks" I am fully saying, "I thought the movie sucked IN MY OPINION."

You think it means, "This movie sucks from all objective standpoints."

I didn't like it. Ergo, it sucked. I refuse to apologize for saying that a movie which I did not like "sucked." It did, to me. It didn't speak to me. It sucked to me.

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But I shouldn't have to go say how well-made Boogie Nights is. I don't have to go say how nice the box was that Grand Theft Auto III came in.

That's the speciousest analogy I've heard in the last four years.

I didn't like it. Ergo, it sucked.

We differ in our definitions of "sucked". "Sucked" to me means, it was a BAD movie. Not, "I didn't like it." I didn't like Requiem for a Dream, but it was a GREAT movie. Saying RfaD sucks is just ridiculous, even though just thinking about it makes me want to go buy a big mushy lunch, shovel it down, and then puke it back up again.

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Man, the voting on this poll is just disgraceful.

[The Ghost of Siskel]

Good luck to you, Pinback.

Doubtful there's anything I, the ghost of film critic Gene Siskel, can do over the internet to change Ice Cream Jonsey's mind on this topic, but if there is, please, let me know.

Good luck, my thoughts are with you, fellow critic!

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Man, the voting on this poll is just disgraceful.

As of the time of this post... I agree with you!!!! LOLLERS!!!