The Blue Jays / Rangers brawl

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun May 15, 2016 8:06 pm

Here's the video, a piece of shit on the Rangers hit Jose Bautista in the face:

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/mp4 ... _1800K.mp4

Some context for our friends that don't follow baseball but are still reading: last year, Jose Bautista hit a home run that effectively kicked the Texas Rangers out of the playoffs.

This year, the Rangers waited for Bautista's last at-bat in the last game these two teams would play to hit him with a pitch.

Bautista slid hard into second base and Odor punched him. You... would be surprised at the number of people on the Internet blaming Bautista.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:52 am

That is great video! I love HD!

I love how when the brawl starts you have guys wearing red and guys wearing blue. It's very easy to see who is fighting with whom! And then a bunch of Texas guys come out wearing blue jackets and red hats! You can't do that! That messes everything up! When we're clearing the benches for an old time slobberknocker, you can't be wearing two different colors like that! It's too confusing!

On April 24, Russell Westbrook was fined $25k for shouting a cuss word at a fan and Kevin Durant was fined $15k for accidentally touching an opponent's head. I believe there is also a default fine of $5k if a player stands up off the bench during a fracas.

W... what kind of fines do they have in major league baseball for an all out rumble?

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 8:55 am

Robb, they're trying to eliminate that kind of slide.

ICJ · Post by **ICJ** » Mon May 16, 2016 11:43 am

Flack wrote:And then a bunch of Texas guys come out wearing blue jackets and red hats! You can't do that! That messes everything up! When we're clearing the benches for an old time slobberknocker, you can't be wearing two different colors like that! It's too confusing!

Texas is a bit of a joke of a franchise. They've been to one World Series, which I am sure was an amazing journey (they choked it away with one strike to go, hahah) but yes, it doesn't surprise me that they had multi-colored uniforms out there because their entire team is a clown show.

On April 24, Russell Westbrook was fined $25k for shouting a cuss word at a fan and Kevin Durant was fined $15k for accidentally touching an opponent's head. I believe there is also a default fine of $5k if a player stands up off the bench during a fracas.

W... what kind of fines do they have in major league baseball for an all out rumble?

Maybe a few thousand bucks to some guys. Like basketball, the salary of everyone involved far outstrips fines.

I suspect these suspensions:

Rangers:
Rougned Odor, 2B (the guy who threw the punch) 20 games

Matt Bush, RP (the guy who hit Bautista) 5 games

Blue Jays:
Manager John Gibbons (he had already been ejected and came back) I bet he gets a couple games.

Jesse Chavez, RP (after the donnybrook, he plunked the first Rangers batter he saw in 320 lb Prince Fielder) 5 games

Bautista is utterly blameless here and shouldn't get fined or suspended.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 1:20 pm

Illegal slide.

AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:04 pm

What is an illegal slide? When did sliding into 2nd become some kind of good/bad call? I thought spiking the 4 was OK at the MLB level. Why is it OK to fight in the NHL but noplace else?

THE
KEEP IT FAIR, REF
AARDVARK

ICJ · Post by **ICJ** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:05 pm

pinback wrote:Illegal slide.

Yeah, but you can't get suspended for that. That's like getting suspended because you went 0-4 with 3 strikeouts.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:06 pm

But to keep saying "BLAMELESS!!" makes ya sound like a bigtime homer.

ICJ · Post by **ICJ** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:08 pm

AArdvark wrote:What is an illegal slide? When did sliding into 2nd become some kind of good/bad call? I thought spiking the 4 was OK at the MLB level. Why is it OK to fight in the NHL but noplace else?

THE
KEEP IT FAIR, REF
AARDVARK

Great question.

Last year, a guy named Chase Utley "slid" into second base and broke the leg of a man named Ruben Tejada.

MLB made a rule saying you can't do that no more. It was okay the previous 150 years but not any more.

My opinion regarding fighting in hockey is that if you don't allow the guys to drop the gloves and fight they will clock each other with the sticks they have and turn them into weapons. Due to the nature of the sport, you absolutely need guys in hockey to know that if they're being an asshole they'll get punched. Basketball, baseball and football don't give guys weapons out there.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:24 pm

ICJ · Post by **ICJ** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:51 pm

pinback wrote:But to keep saying "BLAMELESS!!" makes ya sound like a bigtime homer.

Wait, wait wait.

They threw at Bautista in his last at-bat in the last game of the last time these two teams play each other.

They hit him.

Odor tried to throw at his head when he slid into second.

Odor shoved him.

Odor hit him.

Bautista did admit, afterwards to sliding hard to send a message that he didn't appreciate getting hit with the baseball. I... I don't recall anyone getting suspended for that, but sure, it was 1% Bautista, 99% Rangers to blame here.

ICJ · Post by **ICJ** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:53 pm

pinback wrote:

Yes, but they don't carry the bats around the bases, sir.

(Actually, ONE time a guy did. He took his bat with him and clocked an opposing player in the head with it. Do you want me to tell you which player got hit? I'll tell you in six months.)

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pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:53 pm

If he hadn't slid hard into second, would there have been a brawl?

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 4:34 pm

Bautista showed up their pitcher (in the most awesome way possible, granted), got plunked for it, that's the end. He doesn't get to come back at them. You shouting "BLAMELESS!" just makes you a goofball.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:02 pm

pinback wrote:If he hadn't slid hard into second, would there have been a brawl?

If Odor hadn't tried to hit him in the head throwing the baseball, would Bautista have got in his face?

AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:03 pm

You have to send a message to the other team.

"This will not stand"

-- The Dude quoting Bush I

Why did they intentionally hit the batter? Cause he hit a home run last October and knocked them out of the hunt.

THE
DAS BULLSHEET, MON
AARDVARK

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:05 pm

pinback wrote:Bautista showed up their pitcher (in the most awesome way possible, granted), got plunked for it, that's the end. He doesn't get to come back at them. You shouting "BLAMELESS!" just makes you a goofball.

I would agree with that IF .... IF ..... IF..........

1) They hit him the first time they saw him (that series happened to be in Toronto)

2) They hit him the first time they saw him in Arlington.

But they didn't. They waited for the last at-bat in the last game in the last series. Waiting until Jose was 25 minutes from getting on a plane to Canada, knowing that the Jays/Rangers wouldn't meet again is Bush League. MATT BUSH LEAGUE!

Yes, you are otherwise right in that if they had just drilled him the first time they played him it would have been over.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:08 pm

AArdvark wrote: Why did they intentionally hit the batter? Cause he hit a home run last October and knocked them out of the hunt.

Absolutely correct, sir.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 7:44 pm

This, all of this, is why baseball is a dead sport. YEAH BUT HE STARTED IT. God.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Mon May 16, 2016 7:45 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:
AArdvark wrote: Why did they intentionally hit the batter? Cause he hit a home run last October and knocked them out of the hunt.
Absolutely correct, sir.

Also, no. No. He hit a home run last October, triumphantly flipped his bat and pranced around the bases like a goddamn bearded ballerina. They didn't hit him "because he hit a home run".

Jonsey is a delusional homer, somehow for a team in a town he's never lived in.