Did you hear about the Kansas City Chiefs?

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:20 am

Tragic. Just... tragic. Awful and unspeakable.

Oh also one of their players killed himself.

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AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:07 pm

And still they'll play tomorrow. Think there's a lot of pressure in the NFL?

THE
GAME MUST GO ON
AARDVARK

RC · Post by RC » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:26 pm

The best part was one of the pre-game commentators yesterday talking about how blown away everyone was, especially the team. I had just walked into the room and didn't even see who it was, but it was pretty great.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:13 pm

I appreciate Bob Costas talking about gun control, but if you have never been to Kansas City, Kansas, you would not want to go there with at least two bazookas and a box of grenades.

Tdarcos · Post by **Tdarcos** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:57 am

Flack wrote:I appreciate Bob Costas talking about gun control, but if you have never been to Kansas City, Kansas, you would not want to go there with at least two bazookas and a box of grenades.

Don't you mean "without at least"?

And isn't it interesting that some yak-yak who probably never handled a gun in his life or had to defend himself against someone with a gun goes around prattling how things would be better if they banned guns?

More people are killed through negligent use of automobiles and nobody ever suggests we should ban cars as a way to stop the tens of thousands of tragic auto-related deaths every year.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:21 pm

Tdarcos wrote: More people are killed through negligent use of automobiles and nobody ever suggests we should ban cars as a way to stop the tens of thousands of tragic auto-related deaths every year.

Hmm. Interesting analogy.

Oh wait, sorry, actually that's the dumbest goddamn analogy in the universe.

Cars are things that most people have to use, usually for over an hour or two a day, to make a living and get food and shelter.

Can you discern some basic differences between cars and guns in this respect?

Tdarcos · Post by **Tdarcos** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:45 pm

pinback wrote:Cars are things that most people have to use, usually for over an hour or two a day, to make a living and get food and shelter.

Nope, try again. People want to use cars; "macho" attitude, surrounded by two tons of metal. Huge polluting monstrosity, in production and operation. Only because American love affair with cars we tolerate the issues dealing with them. One thing to spend $100,000 or more on a house used 60+ hrs/week, appreciates in value. Rank insanity spending $15,000 or upwards of $200 a month on depreciating asset used an hour or two a day, plus insurance, and parking if not employer subsidized. For what it's complained about the cost to subsidize public transportation, it is orders of magnitude much more efficient than cars, it's just that it's mostly poor people that uses it, and nobody really likes having to subsidize the poor.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Tdarcos wrote:People want to use cars

I can tell already there'll be no dissuading you from your "cars == guns" worldview. So this thread is now about macaroni & cheese recipes. Please post your favorite.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:24 pm

1 block of cheddar cheese
1 block of mac

Microwave.

AArdvark · Post by **AArdvark** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:09 am

Drive to mac and cheese store in my car (not on bus route).

Drive to water store in my car, buy two gallons of grade AAA distilled (tap water is the number one cause of heart disease in the northeast).

Boil two blocks of Velveeta in a four inch skillet.

add water and curry powder

serve over rice.

enjoy

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:37 am

AArdvark wrote:Drive to mac and cheese store in my car (not on bus route).

Drive to water store in my car, buy two gallons of grade AAA distilled (tap water is the number one cause of heart disease in the northeast).

Boil two blocks of Velveeta in a four inch skillet.

add water and curry powder

serve over rice.

enjoy

BEST OF. God that's nauseating.

Flack · Post by **Flack** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:03 pm

Macaroni and cheese, also called "mac and cheese" in American English, Canadian English, and Australian English; "macaroni pie" in Caribbean English;[1] and "macaroni cheese" in the United Kingdom,[2] and New Zealand; [3] is a dish consisting of cooked elbow macaroni, white sauce, and cheese.[4][5]

Traditional macaroni and cheese is a casserole baked in the oven; however, it may be prepared in a sauce pan on the top of the stove from scratch[6] or using a packaged mix.[5]

Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Contemporary versions
3 Regional variations
4 Packaged mixes
5 Celebrations
6 See also
7 References
8 External links
[edit]History

Macaroni ("Maccheroni" in Italian) is mentioned in various medieval Italian sources, though it is not always clear whether it is a pasta shape or a prepared dish.[7] Pasta and cheese casseroles have been recorded in cookbooks as early as the Liber de Coquina, one of the oldest medieval cookbooks. A cheese and pasta casserole known as makerouns was recorded in an English cookbook in the 14th century.[8] It was made with fresh, hand-cut pasta which was sandwiched between a mixture of melted butter and cheese. It was considered an upper class dish even in Italy until about the 18th century.[7]

"Maccaroni" with various sauces was a fashionable food in late 18th century Paris. The future American president Thomas Jefferson encountered macaroni both in Paris and in northern Italy. He drew a sketch of the pasta and wrote detailed notes on the extrusion process. In 1793, he commissioned American ambassador to Paris William Short to purchase a machine for making it. Evidently, the machine was not suitable, as Jefferson later imported both macaroni and Parmesan cheese for his use at Monticello.[9] In 1802, Jefferson served a "macaroni pie" at a state dinner.

A serving of the dish made using macaroni, mozzarella, sharp cheddar, Parmesan and panko breadcrumbs.
Since that time, the dish has been associated with the United States and especially the American South.[citation needed] A recipe called "macaroni and cheese" appeared in the 1824 cookbook The Virginia Housewife written by Mary Randolph. Randolph's recipe had three ingredients: macaroni, cheese, and butter, layered together and baked in a 400 °F (204 °C) oven. The cookbook was the most influential cookbook of the 19th century, according to culinary historian Karen Hess[citation needed]. Similar recipes for macaroni and cheese occur in the 1852 Hand-book of Useful Arts, and the 1861 Godey's Lady's Book. By the mid-1880s, cookbooks as far west as Kansas included recipes for macaroni and cheese casseroles. Factory production of the main ingredients made the dish affordable, and recipes made it accessible, but not notably popular. As it became accessible to a broader section of society, macaroni and cheese lost its upper class appeal. Fashionable restaurants in New York ceased to serve it.[10]
Macaroni and cheese recepies have been attested in Canada since at least Modern Practical Cookery in 1845, which suggests a puff pastry lining (suggesting upper-class refinement) and a sauce of cream, egg yolks, mace, and mustard, and grated Parmesan or Cheshire cheese on top. Canadian Cheddar cheese was also becoming popularized at this time and was likely also used during that era.[11]

An order of "Cheesburger" macaroni and cheese, which includes ground beef and bread crumbs, one of 14 variations of the dish on the menu of an eatery in Hoboken, New Jersey.

[edit]Contemporary versions

Boston Market, a ready to eat take-out, and Michelina's and Stouffer's, frozen food, are some of the more recognizable brands of macaroni and cheese available in the United States. The dish retains its Southern associations and is a common side at barbecue and soul food restaurants, but it has long held its place in higher end Southern establishments and working class cafeterias.[citation needed] One novelty presentation is deep-fried mac and cheese found at fairs and mobile vendors (food carts). A prepared version known as "macaroni and cheese loaf" can be found in some stores.[12]

Since the 1990s various "gourmet" macaroni and cheese dishes have emerged in fine "non-regional" North American restaurants. Since 2005 a number of restaurants operating on a fast-food model—but serving only macaroni and cheese—have opened in places such as New York City, Oakland, Portland, St. Louis, Manchester and Vancouver, Canada.
It is possible to make "macaroni and cheese" with actual cheese rather than a cheese sauce.[4] It has been suggested that pasta rigati or some other small shell macaroni is an excellent choice for the pasta ingredient due to its "pocket" to hold cheese.[6]

[edit]Regional variations

A similar traditional dish in Switzerland is called Älplermagronen (Alpine herder's macaroni), which is also available in boxed versions. Älplermagronen are made of macaroni, cream, cheese, roasted onions, and potatoes. In the Canton of Uri, the potatoes are traditionally omitted, and in some regions, bacon or ham is added.

[edit]Packaged mixes

A German Knorr packet of Macaroni Cheese with the label indicating the US usage "Mac & Cheese".

Packaged versions of the dish are available as a boxed convenience food, consisting of uncooked pasta and either a liquid cheese sauce or powdered ingredients to prepare it. The powdered cheese sauce is mixed with either milk or water, and margarine, butter, or olive oil. In preparing the dish, the macaroni is cooked and drained, then mixed with the cheese sauce. These products are prepared in a microwave, in a stove pot, or baked in an oven, often with any of the extra ingredients mentioned above.
A number of different products on the market use this basic formulation with minor variations in ingredients.[13]
A variety of packaged mixes which are prepared on the top of the stove in a sauce pan are available. They are usually modeled on Kraft Dinner which was introduced in 1937 with the slogan "make a meal for four in nine minutes." It was an immediate success in the US and Canada amidst the economic hardships of the Depression. During the Second World War, rationing led to increased popularity for the product which could be obtained 2 boxes for one food rationing stamp.[14] The 1953 Better Homes and Gardens Cookbook includes a recipe for the dish with Velveeta, which had been reformulated in that year.

[edit]Celebrations

In the United States, July 14 has been branded as "National Macaroni and Cheese Day".[15]

[edit]See also

Comfort food

Tdarcos · Post by **Tdarcos** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:21 pm

pinback wrote:
Tdarcos wrote:People want to use cars
I can tell already there'll be no dissuading you from your "cars == guns" worldview.

Where did you get that from? To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again." You went off on some strange tangent having zero relationship to reality, imagined something you thought was what happened, then took your imaginary scenario and presumed it was what actually happened.

I said more people are killed by misuse of automobiles than by guns. I also said people want to use cars. I never at any time said, implied or inferred that they are equivalent. You just took your entire flight of fancy and assumed that was what was the case, which it was not.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:31 pm

Tdarcos wrote:I also said people want to use cars.

Ask the millions of schlubs who are stuck on the 405 or 5 or 25 or basically any freeway ending in "5" (also "270") for an hour every morning and night to commute to their stupid goddamn jobs how much they WANT to use cars.

If you say "they should just use public transportation" I will crawl through the internet and hit you over the head with a phone book.

Ice Cream Jonsey · Post by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:46 pm

Do it! DO it!!

Tdarcos · Post by **Tdarcos** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:39 am

If you say "they should just use public transportation" I will crawl through the internet and hit you over the head with a phone book.

Nobody "should" use public transportation; people use it because they don't have an alternative. Cars are more popular because people have choices and car makers have to cater to demand. There are only about two places that have reasonably usable public transportation (as subways, anyway). First is maybe New York City, where if the stop is close, you can get service 24/7 since they don't close except because of disaster.

The other is in Hong Kong, which is the only subway system in the world that makes a profit, because it's privately run and has to; they have to cater to what the customers want as opposed to being a tax-subsidized public entity morass like they are everywhere else.

Tdarcos · Post by **Tdarcos** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:49 am

pinback wrote:
Tdarcos wrote:I also said people want to use cars.
Ask the millions of schlubs who are stuck on the 405 or 5 or 25 or basically any freeway ending in "5" (also "270")

Here's one where Wikipedia would have helped you. Interstates whose number ends in "0" or "5" are major significant traffic arteries. Interstates with 1 or 2 digits ending with odd numbers are primarily north-south, interstates with even numbers are primarily east-west. 3 digit numbers are special, either loop or spur.

Tdarcos · Post by **Tdarcos** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:53 am

pinback wrote: for an hour every morning and night to commute to their stupid goddamn jobs how much they WANT to use cars.

Localities got the funding for highway projects automatically via gasoline taxes but didn't have to necessarily use the money on highways, and often the states stole the money and used it on other things. The horrid state of public infrastructure proves this.

If highways were privately operated, then either had, say, gasoline costing perhaps 10c or 15c less per gallon but highways were toll roads - or not toll but the road operator got a piece of tax money based on vehicle usage - you'd see lots more options including double- and triple-decker and HOV lanes a lot sooner, plus faster traffic flows because more cars that they can push through faster would mean more revenue.