Rosetta Stoned Bass Pattern

Worm · Post by **Worm** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:07 am

It was the little odometer that let Kirk know he was going backwards in time (to nazi germany) in that one episode.

bruce · Post by **bruce** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:20 am

Blind people's super-senses scare me.

Bruce

Lysander · Post by **Lysander** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:17 pm

Please tell me you're joking. (Bugs.)[/list]

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:44 pm

Lysander wrote:So: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 8, 5, 3.

Holy crap! I never noticed that.

Of course, I'm not in love with that song, so haven't studied it to this extent. But that's pretty dang cool.

Bugs · Post by **Bugs** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:31 pm

Anyway, yeah, I was kidding about the time signature. I probably know more about music theory than anyone here except possibly for the blind dude. To me, it seems the complex part of the song discussed earlier in this thread is just a simple 3/4 pattern..., but it could be split up any number of ways I guess. That's the beauty of cross-rhythms and hemiolas and shit. Lotsa ways to count it out.

But, I had the great fortune of seeing Tool at Bonnaroo last month. Fucking brilliant. Maynard dedicated this song to everyone at Bonnaroo, and now I get it, that the main character is basically an old burned out hippy who talks about how the Dead aren't even on tour.

Tool is one of the few acts out there today whose music deserves great scrutiny and close attention. I wish I could see them again on this tour, but I don't think it will happen.

Bugs · Post by **Bugs** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:35 pm

By the way, there's something beautifully tragic, comic and mystical about this song all at the same time. I usually don't pay attention to lyrics, but when I do, sometimes it's a pleasant surprise.

Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position.
Such a heavy burden now to be the One
Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending,
To write it down for all the world to see.

But I forgot my pen
Shit the bed again

Fuck. I mean, FUCK. So awesome.

And if Justin Chancellor's bass playing was a woman, I'd marry her.

pinback · Post by **pinback** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:22 pm

Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position.
Such a heavy burden now to be the One
Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending,
To write it down for all the world to see.

But I forgot my pen
Shit the bed again

Typical.

Bugs · Post by **Bugs** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:22 am

Yeah, I'm up too late, after a long week bumping up and down the east coast to conferences and weddings and all kinds of shit.

I haven't been able to get this song out of my head for weeks, and I thought I'd add to this thread again to reiterate it's (the song's) awesomeness.

I'm sitting here listening to it in Rochester on my laptop while staying up until 3:30am EDT to call my wife and help her wake up because she has to catch a 5:30am flight to Philly for a gig she has on the Jersey shore on Saturday.

Blind Dude · Post by **Blind Dude** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:51 pm

I assume you (Bugs) are referring to the beginning of the second half of Lateralus when you talk about it being in 3/4. SInce the bass is playing 3/4 and that's what hte main "groove" is around, then, yeah, the overall "feel" of the song is probably in 3/4. But then again the lyrics are sung in 4/4, and so is the guitar, so really who can say? It's all math in the end.

pinbacker · Post by **pinbacker** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:51 am

No, he's talking about the Stoned pattern, which started this thread.

Nobody but you cares about Lateralus.

Bugs · Post by **Bugs** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:15 am

Blind Dude wrote:I assume you (Bugs) are referring to the beginning of the second half of Lateralus when you talk about it being in 3/4. SInce the bass is playing 3/4 and that's what hte main "groove" is around, then, yeah, the overall "feel" of the song is probably in 3/4. But then again the lyrics are sung in 4/4, and so is the guitar, so really who can say? It's all math in the end.

Yeah, no, I was talking about Rosetta Stoned... The part about 7 minutes in that pinback referred to at the beginning of this thread with the crazy syncopated bass line. That part, to me, is just 3/4 with all sorts of syncopation and emphasis on different beats by both the drums and bass. Plus I think Adam Jones then comes in on guitar and slathers the whole hell out of the thing with sextuplets.

Tool seems to be big on things like that. Like, (an oversimplified example), two parts broken up into 4 bars of 5 and 5 bars of 4, where it all adds up in the end.

Blindy McBlinderson · Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:17 am

Oh. Well, now. Don't I look stupid. Anyway when I get some time I think I'll do Schism next.

pinbacker · Post by **pinbacker** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:23 am

Blindy McBlinderson wrote:Don't I look stupid.

No. You don't look at all!

Bugs · Post by **Bugs** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:12 pm

Blindy McBlinderson wrote:Oh. Well, now. Don't I look stupid. Anyway when I get some time I think I'll do Schism next.

No you don't. And Schism's easy. 5 alternating with 7. So 12 if you want to call it that, but it's much easier to count 1-2-1-2-3/1-2-1-2-1-2-3. And they thrown one bar of 4 in there at the end of every chorus or something just for SCHEISSE UND GIGGELEN.

Molly Muffsweet · Post by **Molly Muffsweet** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:25 pm

pinbacker wrote:
Blindy McBlinderson wrote:Don't I look stupid.
No. You don't look at all!

First you change your username and now Lysander? Who's next?

Lysander · Post by **Lysander** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:57 pm

Not exactly. It's interesting, because so many of these are two-measure patterns that can be counted multiple ways. First off--it's an 8, not a 4. So 5/8 and 7/8, but you could call it 2 of 6/8 and be done with it. The second bit (where they change keys from d to a) adds an extra beat to make it 13; so so you could count it one of 6/8 and 7/8, or one of 9 8 and one of 4 8, 5 8 and 3 8. Also, the second time around they add an extra beat on the end again, so that one time around is 14/8. The "The poetry that comes from the squarin' off between" is in 6/4. The soft section with the bass solo (Yeah, that wa thing's the bass) is in 9/8 although that signature starts up while the drums are still playing, but the guitar's playing 4/4 over it. When Maynard sings "Sense of compassion" they alternate between 9/8 and 7/8, although the little trill before the bass drum starts thudding is in 4/4. When the drums really kick in the whole section is 28 eighth notes long, so you can count that up in a bunch of different ways; 2 of 5/4 and 1 of 4, 1 of 5/4 and 2 of 9/8, three of 9/8 with the last one having an extra note tagged on (which would be the same as above really)--hey, whatever's easiest. Same with the section after it--14/8, so you could count it as 2 of 7/8 but I think that they want it to be 2 of 5/8 and one of 4/8. "I know the pieces fit" is in the 5-7/8 thing like the beginning, and the last part... guess what... in 4/4. Now aren't you all glad I went and did this?