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Post by co » Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:55 pm

Prius's are hatchbacks, like the fartis, so the dog would be fine (didn't pinner state that the wheelchair would not be used anyway?). I think the thing is fine, if a little uninteresting.

It's the type of car that you'll see a few years old covered with dings and dents because nobody ever gets body work done on them because - why bother? Just like my purple Prizm that I hate will never get fixed. I'll never fix the fender that's pushed in (because <b>the</b> girlfriend kicked out the passenger door past where it wanted to go and now hangs wrong and impacts the fender). Nor will I fix the scratches on the roof and trunklid caused by sliding a huge couch off. Nor will I fix the scrapes on the side of the rear bumper that I caused by backing into something or the other scrapes caused by an old bitch who hit me at wegmans east avenue. Cars like ours get driven until the wheels fall off without a single trip to the bodyshop.

Pinner's econobox will run forever and look like absolute shit by the end of it.

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Post by Ice Cream Jonsey » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:13 pm

co wrote:Prius's are hatchbacks
Oh. Ah. Welp!
so the dog would be fine (didn't pinner state that the wheelchair would not be used anyway?).
Well, you see --
Pinner's econobox will run forever and look like absolute shit by the end of it.
I think something similar is on the cover of the owner's manual.
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Post by Draaal » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:14 pm

So... Er... Guess I'm the only one who drives a scooter?

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Post by Jack Straw » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:12 pm

pinback wrote:I'm sorry this bothers you so much, Jack! If this conversation is causing you this much stress
quite the opposite, i really enjoy injecting some real world sting into your fantasy land.


ICJ wrote:The thing was $11K. His previous car had 133,000 miles!
My last car purchase was $100 and currently has 53,384 miles. I know because I drive this car every day to work (it has snow tires) and received a free oil change today from Vision Ford in which I had to record the mileage. I am the second owner.
Are there any circumstance which warrant buying a new car, as far as you are concerned?
Sure, if it's a unique, limited production vehicle which will hold its value.
Such as a Focus SVT, WRX STi (yes, I give jeff endless amounts of shit too but I still respect the car), even a Dodge Neon R/T.

This econobox is a disposable, lowest common denominator grocery getter which certainly does not deserve paying a new car premium for. it's a dime a dozen.

more later, back to watching Baaaahhhston get spanked by the Caps.

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Post by pinback » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:16 pm

Jack Straw loves him some him! Hey Jack, is it okay if I still enjoy my car? You've really made me re-think some things.

I think we're going to return Parker too, because we've already dropped about a grand on him, and he depreciated by 65.5% (repeating, of course) the second we took him from the animal rescue!

What a ripoff.
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Post by Jack Straw » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:13 pm

OK. i just read this whole thing, and here's my final word. this shit is fun for awhile but gets old quick when people take you too seriously and all of a sudden you have 500 points to make.
Before I get into anything, I want to make it clear that I didn't know he had a retarded wheelchair dog and that's the reason for the new car. Very noble. What's not noble is the predictable course of events - I rip ben a new asshole, he locks himself in his new purple car and cries himself to sleep, his girlfriend feels bad and gets on here to try and defend him. stay out of it, i doubt you have any idea where either of us are coming from but here we go, i'll try to explain.

There's a fundamental difference here - between 'car people' and 'people that need transportation'.
Sometimes I forget this. But when I read shit like:
savvyraven wrote:It's a friggin' car!
it.. well... i really am not into this right now. Basically, I LOVE to work on my cars. it's not 'just a car' to me. I drive the shit out of any vehicle I'm in just so that I can have the chance to be under it working on it again, and extract as much fun as possible from it. I can certainly understand where other people have different attitudes - like the guy at work who drives his S-10 every day from Buffalo consistently 5 miles an hour under the speed limit while listening to tinny AM radio. it's a nonnegotiable difference in the train of thought, much like do you vote for the presidential candidate who 'is the correct moral choice' (whatever the fuck that means) or who is best suited for the job. - do you get joy from your commute or do you simply purchase vehicles because you HAVE to get from point A to point B?

No, money is not everything. But it has a lot to do with why I try to get as much FUN as possible out of my cars. I'm spending a fixed amount per day on the investment of having a car (which is much less than the fixed amount of someone with a car payment). Not considering fuel, I pay the same whether the car sits in the garage or if I'm having a fucking BLAST driving it. So which would I prefer doing?

Used cars. There's SO MANY interesting used cars, older cars which have been overlooked because they're not shiny new. the truth as I see it? there's really not many interesting new cars available. it's all cookie cutter crap. Instead of plunking down MONTHLY for a generic hoopty and the privelidge of being bent over by a dealer for service, why not look at the DELUGE of older cars that have been passed by? Mazda RX7, Ford EXP, Subaru SVX (the 'flying wedge'), toyota AE86 / corolla gts, just about anything in the nissan Z family, buick grand national, shit, the 1995 supercharged all wheel drive fucking PREVIA minivan. I could go on for days, but all of those vehicles except the RX7 will be rock solid reliable, cheap to fix, and YOU WONT HAVE A CAR PAYMENT. add to that, every time you take the car out people's heads will turn and say "holy jesus. What the fuck is that!??!?"

the turning head is important to me, and if you don't understand that there's no need to continue trying to explain it.

So, Jack Straw doesn't love me some him.
Straw loves fucking cool cars. Straw likes fucking with people and getting under their skin too, almost as much as smoking marijuana leafs.
Since he can't do one, he continues to do the other. Either deal with it, or overdose on antidepressants. If you do, I'll have to fuck with someone else.

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Post by Vitriola » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:12 pm

Jack Straw wrote:Add to that, every time you take the car out people's heads will turn and say "holy jesus. What the fuck is that!??!?" the turning head is important to me, and if you don't understand that there's no need to continue trying to explain it.
I don't think Ben will have a problem with that.

However, I so completely want a used car with garish colors and bond-o, preferably not with it's own doors. Although, since I know Jack-shit about cars, getting the awesome ghetto ride that also rides well and I can fix isn't exactly an option. I tend to get my cars/trucks off auto-trader or the like, a year or 2 old.

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Post by co » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:25 pm

Jack Straw wrote:all of those vehicles except the RX7 will be rock solid reliable, cheap to fix,
I'm glad you added this qualification because I was about to chime in about how a first gen rx-7 was one of the costliest used car buying mistakes I've ever made. I don't know what the guy did to it so that it didn't leak when I test drove it but within weeks it was spewing oil out of every nook and cranny of that engine. Within a month I was going through 2 quarts for 50 miles and I couldn't even get a mechanic to consider working on it.

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Post by Jack Straw » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:48 am

oh, they were ticking time bombs, leaked oil like a sieve, got horrible gas mileage - and are timeless classics, unique and innovative.

even the rotaries in RX8s, while lightyears better, still have a finite life before needing to be rebuilt.

Check this out though, because there's so many RX7's with blown engines, a $500 rx7 shell + a $500 crate engine (small block 350) from pep boys with a warranty makes a cost effective fun little project that will handle better than pretty much any car that had a v8 from the factory.
If I can ever clear a spot for another car / expand the garage, it's going to happen.

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and just for fun, check out that previa i was talking about, just about the only minivan i'd consider. holy jesus, wtf is that?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_yvEfCaLDI[/youtube]

there's one in Michigan for 3grand right now.

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Post by CO » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:39 am

I always thought the Previas were awesome because the mid engine was mounted so low it had to give great handling, plus the all wheel drive. I'd probably consider a used one if I ever had some kids or something.

That's awesome with the rx7's, is that possible with the first gen style too?

It's really too bad about the rotary's because the engines have such a great feeling. When you punch it, you can kind of feel the car flex a bit with the torque and literally feel what the engine is doing. You're right that the the things handle great, I think mine had a sticker that said "handling by lotus" which I thought was cool. I stupidly paid $1200 for one back in 1993 and sold it a couple of months later for $400 including a stereo I added.

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Post by Jack Straw » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:13 am

CO wrote: That's awesome with the rx7's, is that possible with the first gen style too?
anything is possible :) you can relocate the battery to the trunk to offset some of the weight of the engine & balance it out.

they sell kits to throw a v8 in the back of a fiero, v8archie.com i think. that would be excessive though, probably only good for the track. tap the gas & peel off half of your tires.

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Post by Jack Straw » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:19 am

yeah, here's the link

I haven't been there in awhile - he's really expanded. they used to sell just conversion kits, now they have body parts and even sell already done cars if you don't want to do it yourself for any of the reasons already discussed in here.

you can make these little things look like anything.
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or just a hot looking Pontiac Fiero:
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certainly not a family car by any means, obviously.

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Post by pinback » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:26 am

Cars are Jack's life!

Wow. Just, wow.
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Post by Jack Straw » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:46 am

pinback wrote:Cars are Jack's life!
er, nope. sorry bud.

My life is my wife and 2 beautiful children.
One of my hobbies are cars.

What is your life, pray tell?

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Post by pinback » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:36 am

Oh, it changes by the moment. Right now my life is typing this message into this fine BBS!

After that, my life will be sipping tea and catching up on email.

In an hour and a half or so? Life = lunch!
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Post by bruce » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:08 pm

pinback wrote:
ChainGangGuy wrote:Would you please list other cars you were considering before ultimately settling on the Toyota Yaris? This'll be just like reading an issue of Marvel's What If?!
I considered three cars:

1. Toyota Prius. Pros: Hybrid, less gas, can take HOV lane even by yourself. Cons: Too pricey.

2. Used Toyota Corolla. Pros: Right price, dependable sedan, pretty much same car as the one I traded in. Cons: Pretty much same car as the one I traded in.

3. Yaris. Pros: Same price as used Corolla, cute as a button, new car smell. Cons: Knew I would have to withstand countless merciless attacks from Jolt Country members.
As it happens, I'm considering buying a new car.

The options I'm looking at are:

1) Honda Fit

Pinner, why wasn't this on your list? A lot like a Yaris, but slightly pricier but also roomier.

2) Toyota Yaris

As the man says: good mileage and cheap

3) Mini Cooper

Gets insane mileage, looks like I might have gotten it for something OTHER than cheap plus fuel-efficient...but not so cheap

4) Toyota Prius

Pious owners are just so goddamn SMUG. But the mileage is nice

5) (disqualified) Smart ForTwo

WANT WANT WANT. Except I really want the diesel one, which they don't sell in the US, and anyway, a two-seater is a deal-breaker as the wee wifey wants children.

So, Pinback: why did the Fit not make your cut?

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Post by Ice Cream Jonsey » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:04 pm

I'm guessing because that's the worst name I've ever heard for a car.
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Post by Ice Cream Jonsey » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:04 pm

Er, except for the "Neon," natch.
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Post by pinback » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:47 am

bruce wrote: 1) Honda Fit

Pinner, why wasn't this on your list? A lot like a Yaris, but slightly pricier but also roomier.
Reason highlighted above.
2) Toyota Yaris

As the man says: good mileage and cheap
I'm still very much enjoying it, too.
3) Mini Cooper

Gets insane mileage, looks like I might have gotten it for something OTHER than cheap plus fuel-efficient...but not so cheap
I would have considered this, but I physically cannot fit into it without serious damage to my muscular system and several significant organs.
So, Pinback: why did the Fit not make your cut?
1. Seemed to be the same, virtually, as the Yaris, but slightly more money.

2. I buy cars like I buy pants, I find the first one that fits me and buy it.
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Post by Jack Straw » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:37 pm

Pinner: did you consider the Suzuki SX4 at all?
I ask because I'm <gasp> considering.. looking into one ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_SX4

developed with Fiat, design was handled by Giorgetto Giugiaro (Saab 9000)

All wheel drive (and it's not just wheels-that-slip-crap, you can actually
put it in full time 4WD). Great feature for crappy upstate NY winters..

cheap! Around 15 grand.. fuel economy's not any better on the 5 speed than
my 1990 automatic ford escort. that's the only real negative I see so far -

i'm going to test drive one tomorrow. they advertise 0% 60 month financing.. but with my shitty credit, that's a long shot.

I know Suzuki makes great - if not the best - bikes (crotch rockets, natch).. but cars are quite different than bikes.

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