by Tdarcos » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:15 am
raecoffey wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:57 pm
Tdarcos, wth are you even talking about?
The points you made at the start of this thread:
raecoffey wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:08 pm
I absolutely love reggae, especially dancehall. It's highly unlikely on a board of predominantly white men, to find another listener but since we have some hip-hop heads it's worth a try.
You then also said:
raecoffey wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:40 pm
Well, some of my favorite dancehall artists ... (warning, they do not rap, they chant. Also it's in patois not English, it is broken English and I can translate but you'll get used to it if you try.)
Baby Cham - Back Way
Lady Saw - Man is the least
Lady Saw - Serious Allegations
Patra - Queen of the Pack
Beenie Man - I'm Ok
Bounty Killa - War
Style G ft Sean Paul - Dumpling
Supercat - Dem No Worry We (ft Heavy D)
Yes, most of it is about sex.
Now, returning to your current comment:
raecoffey wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:57 pm
Ovcourse not all of their music is about sex,
I presumed it wasn't. I was using sexuality as means of communication as a
metaphor, the way the man who originally wrote the analogy did, Robert A. Heinlein in
Stranger in a Strange Land.
raecoffey wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:57 pmand ofcourse the music that is about sex is interactive with the female population...
And, about them singing in Patios, they're speaking to THEIR PEOPLE, in THEIR LANGUAGE, about THEIR CULLTURE...
Well then, I don't have to understand it then, since they apparently have no interest in communicating with outsiders.
raecoffey wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:57 pm
I don't even understand your rant. Did you even try to listen? Probably not...
Yes, as a matter of a fact, I did, and this is what I got, from a sampling:
- Patra - Queen of the Pack - Fat broad twerking a lot, saying much uninintelligible phrases mostly interspersed with "sexy like that". 4:00
- Bounty Killa - War - A great deal of rhyming. 3:29
- Lady Saw - Serious Allegations 3:20 Mostly a lot of complaining about something having, of course, "Serious Allegations".
- Supercat - Dem No Worry We 4:02 - The song on this wasn't too bad, but it's not really a kind I listen to. I didn't really understand what he was singing about, maybe how some of his girlfriends are better than others, some are better cooks, while others are more sexy, I'm not sure.
I listened to all of these for the entire length.
Look, I don't even have to understand a song
or even agree with its message to find a song good. Let me recommend three songs:
I don't understand a word of either of these, but they're both worth listening to:
Mocedades - Eres Tu and
Kyu Sakamoto - Sukiyaki
And this one, it's a religious song that
I completely disagree with the words, intent, meaning, or sentiment (I'm an atheist, a non-believer), but the music is very good:
Elevation Worship - Do It Again.
When an artist produces a work, that they release publicly, presumably they want others to experience their message. That was the point I was making: good art communicates, it is
intercourse betweem the artist and the audience, because "intercourse" means "communication." If the artist doesn't communicate, it's "intellectual masturbation," and the audience feels cheated, and rightfully so.
Now, I'd like to explain this first. It is not my intent to quiz you about your love life, but I want you to consider this. You would not be involved with a boyfriend who thought the purpose of sex was for him to get everything he wants, and you don't have to get anything out of it, would you? Don't answer that, but it shows my point. If all the artist does is go off in their own private world, for the few people that get something out of it, they're going to like it, but when the artist makes no effort at all to communicate with others, don't be surprised if we're disappointed and frustrated, while the artist, who's just had a whale of a good time, doesn't understand why, or care that the vast majority of us are unsatisfied.
[quote=raecoffey post_id=134539 time=1675198622 user_id=2754]
Tdarcos, wth are you even talking about?[/quote]
The points you made at the start of this thread:
[quote=raecoffey post_id=134479 time=1675130936 user_id=2754]
I absolutely love reggae, especially dancehall. It's highly unlikely on a board of predominantly white men, to find another listener but since we have some hip-hop heads it's worth a try.
[/quote]
You then also said:
[quote=raecoffey post_id=134493 time=1675136417 user_id=2754]
Well, some of my favorite dancehall artists ... (warning, they do not rap, they chant. Also it's in patois not English, it is broken English and I can translate but you'll get used to it if you try.)
Baby Cham - Back Way
Lady Saw - Man is the least
Lady Saw - Serious Allegations
Patra - Queen of the Pack
Beenie Man - I'm Ok
Bounty Killa - War
Style G ft Sean Paul - Dumpling
Supercat - Dem No Worry We (ft Heavy D)
Yes, most of it is about sex.
[/quote]
Now, returning to your current comment:
[quote=raecoffey post_id=134539 time=1675198622 user_id=2754]
Ovcourse not all of their music is about sex,[/quote]
I presumed it wasn't. I was using sexuality as means of communication as a [i]metaphor[/i], the way the man who originally wrote the analogy did, Robert A. Heinlein in [i]Stranger in a Strange Land[/i].
[quote=raecoffey post_id=134539 time=1675198622 user_id=2754]and ofcourse the music that is about sex is interactive with the female population...
And, about them singing in Patios, they're speaking to THEIR PEOPLE, in THEIR LANGUAGE, about THEIR CULLTURE...[/quote]
Well then, I don't have to understand it then, since they apparently have no interest in communicating with outsiders. [quote=raecoffey post_id=134539 time=1675198622 user_id=2754]
I don't even understand your rant. Did you even try to listen? Probably not...
[/quote]
Yes, as a matter of a fact, I did, and this is what I got, from a sampling:[list=][*]Patra - Queen of the Pack - Fat broad twerking a lot, saying much uninintelligible phrases mostly interspersed with "sexy like that". 4:00
[*]Bounty Killa - War - A great deal of rhyming. 3:29
[*]Lady Saw - Serious Allegations 3:20 Mostly a lot of complaining about something having, of course, "Serious Allegations".
[*]Supercat - Dem No Worry We 4:02 - The song on this wasn't too bad, but it's not really a kind I listen to. I didn't really understand what he was singing about, maybe how some of his girlfriends are better than others, some are better cooks, while others are more sexy, I'm not sure.[/list]
I listened to all of these for the entire length.
Look, I don't even have to understand a song [i]or even agree with its message[/i] to find a song good. Let me recommend three songs:
I don't understand a word of either of these, but they're both worth listening to: [url=https://youtu.be/LOFeLI84mu0]Mocedades - [i]Eres Tu[/i][/url] and [url=https://youtu.be/rbTsG9jrJsU]Kyu Sakamoto - [i]Sukiyaki[/i][/url]
And this one, it's a religious song that [i]I completely disagree with the words, intent, meaning, or sentiment[/i] (I'm an atheist, a non-believer), but the music is very good: [url=https://youtu.be/ZOBIPb-6PTc]Elevation Worship - [i]Do It Again[/i][/url].
When an artist produces a work, that they release publicly, presumably they want others to experience their message. That was the point I was making: good art communicates, it is [i]intercourse[/i] betweem the artist and the audience, because "intercourse" means "communication." If the artist doesn't communicate, it's "intellectual masturbation," and the audience feels cheated, and rightfully so.
Now, I'd like to explain this first. It is not my intent to quiz you about your love life, but I want you to consider this. You would not be involved with a boyfriend who thought the purpose of sex was for him to get everything he wants, and you don't have to get anything out of it, would you? Don't answer that, but it shows my point. If all the artist does is go off in their own private world, for the few people that get something out of it, they're going to like it, but when the artist makes no effort at all to communicate with others, don't be surprised if we're disappointed and frustrated, while the artist, who's just had a whale of a good time, doesn't understand why, or care that the vast majority of us are unsatisfied.