by Debaser » Tue Jun 24, 2003 2:47 pm
pinback wrote:Debaser wrote:Why do you say that? He likes families, he doesn't have one, he wishes he did and so he imagines himself into one. He's profoundly lonely, and that worked plenty well enough for me for the first 99% of the movie.
No, baby. That's not what I'm talking about. I said, how would the movie explain (and what then would the significance be) of the
specific "actions" that Cy takes
in the hotel room at the end of the movie. I'm talking
specifics here. I'm also talkin
in italics.
What, the whole "no-touching" bit? Choose from:
A. He's fucking with them. He didn't want to kill Will, didn't want to do any sort of physical damage to him, but he did want to
hurt him. So he just scared the crap out of him.
B. He wants Will to live out his crime against the family in a way that would turn it from something pleasurable into something terrifying. But he doesn't want to actually encourage Will to actually perpetuate the betrayal.
Or are you talking about what it turns out he was actually taking photos
of. Note that that isn't revealed until after the monologue for one thing, and I read it as a note that, for Cy, the
sex wasn't the important bit at all. In fact, the exact opposite of what the monologue'sl revelation might indicate, he's not interested in the sex
at all, except in its role as a betrayal of Nina and (whatever the fuck the kid's name was).
In any case, I don't see how the whole monologue bit shines any light on either of the above, except in the vaguest "he doesn't have a healthy attitude towards intercourse" sense.
If you're talking about something else, you're going to have to give me more direction in order to find it.
[quote="pinback"][quote="Debaser"]Why do you say that? He likes families, he doesn't have one, he wishes he did and so he imagines himself into one. He's profoundly lonely, and that worked plenty well enough for me for the first 99% of the movie.[/quote]
No, baby. That's not what I'm talking about. I said, how would the movie explain (and what then would the significance be) of the [i]specific "actions"[/i] that Cy takes [i]in the hotel room[/i] at the end of the movie. I'm talking [i]specifics[/i] here. I'm also talkin [i]in italics[/i].[/quote]
What, the whole "no-touching" bit? Choose from:
A. He's fucking with them. He didn't want to kill Will, didn't want to do any sort of physical damage to him, but he did want to [i]hurt[/i] him. So he just scared the crap out of him.
B. He wants Will to live out his crime against the family in a way that would turn it from something pleasurable into something terrifying. But he doesn't want to actually encourage Will to actually perpetuate the betrayal.
Or are you talking about what it turns out he was actually taking photos [i]of[/i]. Note that that isn't revealed until after the monologue for one thing, and I read it as a note that, for Cy, the [i]sex[/i] wasn't the important bit at all. In fact, the exact opposite of what the monologue'sl revelation might indicate, he's not interested in the sex [i]at all[/i], except in its role as a betrayal of Nina and (whatever the fuck the kid's name was).
In any case, I don't see how the whole monologue bit shines any light on either of the above, except in the vaguest "he doesn't have a healthy attitude towards intercourse" sense.
If you're talking about something else, you're going to have to give me more direction in order to find it.