milker wrote:I forgive him I guess since he did play the born again card. Does the church help him pay all that child support?
Well, he got caught up. We all make mistakes!
None the less he was a great ball player, but wow, over Shannon Sharpe?
Hate to be a homer here, but what do these guys have against the Broncos. I guess I should not cry and steal the thunder here considering I am sure Saints fans feel the same way, but man there have been some questionable selections over the years.
(Well, Floyd Little made it in, so that's one Bronc in the Hall.) :)
But yeah. that's the problem with the Hall of Fame: it pits fan base against fan base with the fans of those teams trying to savage each other's best players. It's unfair, and I think up until literally the last couple of years, the people doing the electing had no idea what they were talking about.
I believe Rickey Jackson was the second greatest outside linebacker in NFL history. Shannon Sharpe, at the time he retired, was the greatest TE in NFL history. (I think Tony Gonzales will ultimately be #1 there.) What's ridiculous is not that Jackson made it in before Sharpe, but that the following players made it in before either world-class, deserving player:
- Harry Carson, LB, Giants
- Andre Tippett, LB, Patriots
- Ralph Wilson, owner, Bills
- Bob Hayes, WR, Dallas
I assume Hayes was a veteran's committee decision, but fuck, the guy had over 1,000 yards receiving twice in his career. Okay, they played 14 games back then: he averaged 56.2 yards per game. That is not 1,000 a season in the modern-day 16-game NFL. I know the passing game wasn't as prolific back then, but fuck Christ, that guy can wait his turn after Sharpe.
I don't have any problem with Carson and Tippett getting in. I don't know exactly when Sharpe retired, but come on: you put Sharpe in ahead of both of them.
So yeah, it sucks. Ralph Wilson KILLED the Bills in the 70s. Growing up, all I heard from my dad is that he was murdering that team. I think some things are unforgivable. I mean, great, he hired Bill Polian who took the Bills to the SB four times. Why isn't Polian still there? He was able to get the Colts there twice.
I mean, Christ, Tom Benson now has an NFL Championship. That's more than Wilson has - should Benson be in the Hall of Fame? No. Some things are unforgivable, and Benson insinuating that he might move the team to Albuquerque is one of them.
So yeah, it sucks. I'll be shocked if Sharpe isn't elected next year.
This morning the talk on the radio was the only reason this happened was because the Saints were in the Super Bowl. Again, sometimes the voting for these halls filled with heads, seems a little ridiculous.
Haha, I had heard some of the callers afterwards, and a good percentage of them had never heard of Rickey Jackson or Russ Grimm, but were more than willing to state how they didn't belong.
The thing that got me was that Russ Grimm was the best player on the offensive line of the Redskins team that beat the Broncos 42-10 in the Super Bowl, when a no-name running back named Timmy Smith had like, what, 230 yards rushing? You'd think that a Denver talk radio caller would appreciate the excellence there!
Anyway, Atwater's coming up as well, right? I hope he makes it, too.
[quote="milker"]I forgive him I guess since he did play the born again card. Does the church help him pay all that child support?[/quote]
Well, he got caught up. We all make mistakes!
[quote]None the less he was a great ball player, but wow, over Shannon Sharpe?
Hate to be a homer here, but what do these guys have against the Broncos. I guess I should not cry and steal the thunder here considering I am sure Saints fans feel the same way, but man there have been some questionable selections over the years.[/quote]
(Well, Floyd Little made it in, so that's one Bronc in the Hall.) :)
But yeah. that's the problem with the Hall of Fame: it pits fan base against fan base with the fans of those teams trying to savage each other's best players. It's unfair, and I think up until literally the last couple of years, the people doing the electing had no idea what they were talking about.
I believe Rickey Jackson was the second greatest outside linebacker in NFL history. Shannon Sharpe, at the time he retired, was the greatest TE in NFL history. (I think Tony Gonzales will ultimately be #1 there.) What's ridiculous is not that Jackson made it in before Sharpe, but that the following players made it in before either world-class, deserving player:
- Harry Carson, LB, Giants
- Andre Tippett, LB, Patriots
- Ralph Wilson, owner, Bills
- Bob Hayes, WR, Dallas
I assume Hayes was a veteran's committee decision, but fuck, the guy had over 1,000 yards receiving twice in his career. Okay, they played 14 games back then: he averaged 56.2 yards per game. That is not 1,000 a season in the modern-day 16-game NFL. I know the passing game wasn't as prolific back then, but fuck Christ, that guy can wait his turn after Sharpe.
I don't have any problem with Carson and Tippett getting in. I don't know exactly when Sharpe retired, but come on: you put Sharpe in ahead of both of them.
So yeah, it sucks. Ralph Wilson KILLED the Bills in the 70s. Growing up, all I heard from my dad is that he was murdering that team. I think some things are unforgivable. I mean, great, he hired Bill Polian who took the Bills to the SB four times. Why isn't Polian still there? He was able to get the Colts there twice.
I mean, Christ, Tom Benson now has an NFL Championship. That's more than Wilson has - should Benson be in the Hall of Fame? No. Some things are unforgivable, and Benson insinuating that he might move the team to Albuquerque is one of them.
So yeah, it sucks. I'll be shocked if Sharpe isn't elected next year.
[quote]This morning the talk on the radio was the only reason this happened was because the Saints were in the Super Bowl. Again, sometimes the voting for these halls filled with heads, seems a little ridiculous. [/quote]
Haha, I had heard some of the callers afterwards, and a good percentage of them had never heard of Rickey Jackson or Russ Grimm, but were more than willing to state how they didn't belong.
The thing that got me was that Russ Grimm was the best player on the offensive line of the Redskins team that beat the Broncos 42-10 in the Super Bowl, when a no-name running back named Timmy Smith had like, what, 230 yards rushing? You'd think that a Denver talk radio caller would appreciate the excellence there!
Anyway, Atwater's coming up as well, right? I hope he makes it, too.