I would like to learn how to play the Chapman Stick

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by Lysander » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:23 am

Is that how you want this thread to end?

Is it, RobB?

IS IT?

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:43 pm

This thread took the FUCK off when my back was turned!

I have replies to almost every new post therein. But I gotta finish my text game first.

I gotta finish this.

Re: I would like to learn how to play the Chapman Stick

by Tdarcos » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:03 pm

pinback wrote:
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:thing thing
I thought she died last week.

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by Lysander » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:04 pm

Just popping in here to report that the drumkit I want is

STILL
NOT
OUT
In the us.


Motherfuckers.

by AArdvark » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:59 pm

Please to post photos!

Or at least a description...




THE
CRACK BOOM BANG
AARDVARK

by Lysander » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:52 pm

Just popping in here to report taht the drumkit I want is

STILL

NOT
OUT!

Motherfuckers.

by Flack » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:06 pm

Yeah, this had some sort of automated way of doing it. Like I said, I only did it once or twice and it sounded so awful that I never bothered with it again. With only four tracks to work with, I was pretty limited with what I could do. A drum track, a guitar track, a bass track and (usually dry) vocals. It wasn't until I started PC-based recording that I could really do what I wanted (two vocal tracks, three guitar tracks, etc).

by AArdvark » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:23 pm

You mean that ping pong technique where you combine two or more tracks onto another single track? yeah, signal loss is pretty bad when the whole width of the tape is only a quarter inch to start with.

by Flack » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:46 am

I actually had a Fostex 8-track, but I always called it a 4-track because anytime you say "8-track" recorder, people think it used 8-track tapes and it's just confusing. It had some sort of mechanism for combining tracks, but to be honest you lost so much sound quality doing it that I typically only did 4-track recordings.

by AArdvark » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:29 pm

I use Mixcraft and Goldwave, mainly because they get along with me and the learning curve is shallow.

I have a tape four track but it died sometime in the early nineties. The carcass is in the attic somewhere.

by Flack » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:49 pm

Both Cakewalk or Vegas are incredible software packages that will let you record multiple tracks. Cakewalk has the advantage of supporting MIDI. I use Vegas for video editing, so using it for audio was easy for me since I already understood the interface. There are lots of other programs out there too, depending on what kind of music you plan on making. I do a lot of drum looping and Sonic Acid is the king for that.

I've been thinking about building an entire Linux-based recording studio, mainly because it's all free software and I wouldn't feel like a heel everytime someone asked what software packages I used and I had to explain that I didn't pay for them. Studio 64 is apparently a pretty good Linux-based multitracking alternative. Unfortunately for me there doesn't seem to be any reliable Linux drivers for the MOTU stuff, which means a lot of wasted money on hardware for me (what else is new).

This is one of the better things I recorded at the house, if you like goofy 80's cover tunes. I played all the instruments (poorly) on that track, did vocals, and recorded the whole thing in Sony Vegas in about 2 hours. I think I did the drums in Fruity Loops.

by AArdvark » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:05 pm

This is awesome! With all the talent that's just moldering away right here on this board we could come up with some serious songs.

I have a Korg something or other that has that pitch bending sound but it's old old old. It does have strap pegs on both sides tho, so a body COULD pretend that it's something cool.

Maybe if we all had the same tracking software we could throw stuff back and forth and see what comes of it.


THE
MY DOG HAS FLEAS
AARDVARK

by Flack » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:39 pm

As a relative newcomer to the board I had not seen this thread. I will tell you that I watched the embedded video a dozen times today and have come to the conclusion that I do not think the man in the video is a real doctor.

Jonsey, it sounds like we did a lot of the same things in the past. Back in the mid 90s I bought a four-track recorder and recorded an album just to say I'd done it. Yes, it's online -- no, I'm not posting a link. Eh, what the fuck. It's in the middle there somewhere.

By the time Windows 95 came out I was trying really hard to do Windows-based digital recording and the technology just wasn't there yet. I did a few simple loops and stuff but without today's software (and pure processing power) I was really limited.

These days you can just use something like Cakewalk or Sony Vegas and have a whole multitrack studio on your PC. There's a hundred zillion plug-ins out there available for whatever you need, from guitar tuners to vocoders. They give away the light edition of Pro-Tools, if you like that. I ended up buying a MOTU 24i (24 1/4" inputs to firewire) and a 24 channel mixing board. Windows sees the MOTU as 24 separate sound cards, which is enough to get you hard. Just plug into any track on the mixer and it runs to the PC. Unfortunately most of this stuff is sitting in my closet right now due to a lack of interest and space. One of my 2009 resolutions is to record another album so I guess I had better drag everything out again pretty soon.

Two quick links. The first is a link to a ZTar YouTube video.

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I abso-fucking-lutely love the guitar sound on Deadsy's first album. I've been trying to duplicate it for years by doubling guitars and pitch shifting them down. It wasn't until recently that I learned the secret to the sound -- a ztar. It's basically a midi guitar. I've already searched eBay; you're talking $1k+.

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By the way, the lead singer in that band is Cher's kid.

Last video. This is one of my favorite bass players of all time. He's a local guy (or, at least, was) and I used to catch his band probably once a month growing up. if you like dual-handed bass players, you'll love this guy.

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That clip is from Rev's instructional DVD, which I reviewed here.

by Maxell » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:12 pm

It took me way too long to find this thread as we all misspelled ukulele. Do you still play it?

by Lysander » Mon May 19, 2008 5:58 pm

Okay, so, this message is basically going to serve as a reposatory for all of the music-related products I find to be win.

I mentioned this to Robb earlier in IM but the Haken Continuum Fingerboardis a keyboard... sans keys. So, you can sweep your finger back and forth and it will bend your note like a guitar. Or, it will change notes like a regular keyboard would ,depending on how you want it to act. If you press down harder, the sound gets louder. You can also move your fingers vertically on the keys to produce a filter sweep (AKA wah-type sound)... or if you want it ot change something else you can have it set to do that, as well. You can tell it to play in a certain scale so that whatever you play won't sound "wrong" with everything else you're playing. And it interfaces with any sound module you want--you can even hook two up at once and have one half of the keyboard playing on a completely different sound set from the other.

Electric lap Steel Guitar--this thing is kind of like a chapman stick for guitarests. As the strings are elevated from the fretboard it makes frets useless, so it's traditionally played by using a slide in the left hand and plucking the string with the right hand. Typically the strings are a lot longer than they would be on a regular guitar so you can hit many different notes. They are also traditionally tuned in an open tuning, as otherwise it would make playing chords near impossible. No link provided, as there are tons of manufacturers out there--not just electric, either.

2Box drumIt Five
This isn't out yet, but BOY do I want it. Combines all the advantages of an eKit--smaller, easier to setup, quieter, a better signal for a live sound guy to work with--and eliminates two two huge disadvantages: they sound like ass and they don't have a good feel. This one lets you use regular drum skins, or the Mesh/rubber heads, and they let you change it at will like you would change a real drum head. As for sounds, the module is coming pre-loaded with samples that are used on tons of top records for drum replacement *right now* (you've probably heard them already and not realized it) and if you don't like that particular soundset they let you load your own samples via USB. Comes with MIDI, too, if you need that.

Muse Receptor: This baby is just awesome. It lets you do everything you could do on an audio-editing computer except record and, er, edit (load VST plugins, mix multiple instruments, add your own effects to taste) without any of the disadvantages (inconvenient for gigs, requires someone who knows how to work a confusing program, can break, fucks the entire show if the thing crashes). So, you could have your drummer use an eKit and trigger his favorit samples through it (assuming he isn't using the Drumit five ;)), have your guitarest and bassist get their favorit amplification sounds from AmpFarm or whatever, have your keyboard player load up all of his favorit instrument samples, have each player adjust ambience and EQ and whatnot until they all have just the sound they want... then save all those settings, go to a show, take ten minutes to set everything up, do the concert, and take it all down in ten minutes again. Then the next night they already have their sounds preset so they just have to plug in and turn on. And of course since the sounds are all created on the receptor, your instruments plug right in so no more huge, unweildy rigs, and you can even rout everything to headphones so you can rehearse your entire rock band in an apartment someplace without getting yelled at and it will sound just like it will on stage. The receptor runs some version of Linux--I can't remember which one, Gnome I think?-- so it's designed to recover from crashes with a minimal of fuss. It's also housed in a stupid-strong case to withstand buffetting from a long tour.

If you want to get into entry-level music recording I would suggest the Echo MiaMIDI sound card as it gives you a good balance of features VS. price point: one pair of inputs, one pair of outputs, MIDI I/O and S/PDIF I/O for $125. The one thing it totally won't do is multitrack but you can record one track at a time and then edit them in a multitrack editor as if you had recorded a bunch of things at once.

As for audio editors, take your pick; Cubase, Inuendo, LogicPro, ProTools, Audition, Sonar... Not cheap, and I wouldn't dare suggest anybody do anything as irresponsible and illegal as find a cracked version of the software on teh intarnet. But these are the options available. Interfacing with a multitrack editor with a keyboard and mouse really kind of sucks, though, but with Sonar at least you can assign USB or MIDI keyboards to act as a control surface. So rather than clicking around to turn the volume up on a track that's playing you just twist one of the knobs on your music keyboard. I'm assuming most other multitrack editors let you do this as well, and you'll wanna look around on their website to see what they'll let you get away with.

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Tue May 13, 2008 5:24 pm

I'm not sure how he did it... I guess involving the "Tron" or replicator technology.. but Aardvark has sent me a CHAPMAN STICK through e-mail.

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by pinback » Tue May 13, 2008 5:15 pm

I want a Whamola.

by AArdvark » Tue May 13, 2008 5:14 pm

RobB, check your email

by Bugs » Tue May 13, 2008 4:16 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Making music (writing songs, recording them, mixing them) is also fun. But the ollllllld 4-track cassette recorder I have is just a relic of times past. I guess I want a free program that will allow me to directly plug my MIDI keyboard into it (I guess through a 1/4" plug to the 1/8th" input jack on my sound card) and work as a multi-track studio. But I also want it to be able to directly record sound, like voice or a sax or something. Hard drive space is cheap, so I am not worried about that, but I don't even know where to begin to look for a tracker. It seems most musicians spent money on the product, serious money.
You should look into something like this: A portable digital recorder

A friend of mine has something like that, and I can vouch for the recording quality. It may come with some rudimentary tracking software, too.

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Tue May 13, 2008 12:39 pm

Bugs, there is music in my soul. I probably enjoy playing it more than listening to it. I just don't get an opportunity to play it. I'll go off on a MINI rant about free time: we Americans work too much. (OK, er, that was it.)

Making music (writing songs, recording them, mixing them) is also fun. But the ollllllld 4-track cassette recorder I have is just a relic of times past. I guess I want a free program that will allow me to directly plug my MIDI keyboard into it (I guess through a 1/4" plug to the 1/8th" input jack on my sound card) and work as a multi-track studio. But I also want it to be able to directly record sound, like voice or a sax or something. Hard drive space is cheap, so I am not worried about that, but I don't even know where to begin to look for a tracker. It seems most musicians spent money on the product, serious money.

(The part about the cassette tracker that drove me crazy was that it would record a POP every time you pressed play and record. Sometimes you wanted to just start re-recording a track in the middle of a song, because you effin' nailed the first half. But then, "POP!" Right in your song. That absolutely fuckin' aggravated me.)

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