Sports Pinner wrote:This isn't the '72 Dolphins. This is the greatest football team of all time, the closest any team has ever come to "solving" the game of football.
They are the standard by which all other teams, past and future, will be measured.
As someone who appreciates the artistry of the game, I would think you of all people would savor this opportunity to be part of such a unique, magnificent accomplishment.
Really. The artistry of the game. Huh. Well. Hmmm.
Well, I didn't want to do this, but here we go:
WHY THE 2007 PATRIOTS AREN'T THAT IMPRESSIVE AND WHY THEY AIN'T THE GREATEST TEAM OF ALL-TIME
Before I get into that, let me get into something else. I believe I have a unique perspective, having witnessed more seasons of absolutely abysmal football than the rest of you combined.
In 1999 Ricky Williams takes an incident-laden contract for the New Orleans Saints and suffers a high ankle sprain in pre-season, as piece of shit Zach Thomas hits him five yards out of bounds. Ricky never gets going in 1998, and the Saints fire their coach. Why was Williams hit? A worthless fuck on the Dolphins (who everybody else in the world loves) was so
enraged that Williams would dare
hint at ushering in a modicum of personal responsibility and performance-for-pay that Williams had to be injured.
In 2000, Jeff Blake leads the New Orleans Saints to a 7-3 record going into week 11. His foot is broken on a desperate play by Lance Johnstone, who I hope is now dead.
More, the 2000 Raiders attempted to take out the opposing quarterbacks of every team they played, in order to go against inexperienced backups. This worked until they faced the Ravens, who had one of the best defenses of all-time and frankly, it didn't matter which scrub they threw out there. The Ravens beat the Raiders in the AFC Championship game that year.
In 2006, noted piece of human excrement Bart Scott wrenches Reggie Bush's foot after a play. After safely flying back home and far from anyone who would retaliate, Scott cackles to a local news program that he was just giving Bush's foot a "little bit of hot sauce."
(If you are familiar with my work on this BBS, you may be aware of all these things.)
Jeff Blake, Ricky Williams, the Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks and Reggie Bush have all been said to be disappointments. Yet, there was still someone in the NFL who couldn't fucking stomach the thought of them having any motherfucking success, to the point where some of the more marginal players in the league (or in Bart Scott's case, stupider) threw out salaries, threw out any sense of brotherhood, threw out the fact that they were all millionaires and just tried to go fuck somebody up.
Why is this significant?
BECAUSE NOBODY HAS DECIDED TO RIP TOM FUCKING BRADY'S KNEE LIGAMENTS APART.
In 2007/2008 we are living in a world where the average thug in the NFL is so sated, and so cognizant that it is just a business, that he can't even be bothered to step up for his *own* quarterback, much less take a run at the opposing team's. New England played Buffalo early in the season where Buffalo quarterback J.P. Losman was intentionally injured. Losman! One of the worst players in the history of the NFL. How did the Bills respond? Did they say to themselves, "We are going to get crushed anyway, might as well take out Brady?" "We are going to avenge our guy?" Of fucking couse not. Who is Losman to them? He won't even be on the team next year, and if they decide to cripple Brady they might lose a game check.
Do I blame Brady for this? Of course not! When you are one step above a crack dealing thug, like in the case of Scott, Thomas or Johnstone, and the only thing keeping you out of jail is the NFL, of course you are going to absolutely freak if you see somebody get too many commercials (Williams, Bush) or if you feel you can bully some poor slobs (Ravens quarterbacks). Brady keeps a low profile. He does gay male model shit, but who would know that?
But my point is, you can't be considered the best team of all time until you've faced some fucking adversity. (And I don't believe for a second that the '72 Dolphins are the best team of all time, not even close. But they did do it with their backup QB for a stretch, which gives them the advantage over these guys.)
Just because we happen to live in an era where most of these pussies would rather not do anything to lower themselves in Belichick's eyes (because, hey, maybe Bill will sign them and they can get the cheap ring) it doesn't automatically put a team like the 07 Patriots to the head of the class. Their linebackers are slow and old. They've never had to run the ball down the field and ice a game. They've never faced any adversity. Every offensive coordinator in the fucking league is apparently too stupid to throw down the middle of the field, where they have been weak for years. You want to take Moss out of the game? Hit him. It's been done before. He's been beat every time one of his teams has made the playoffs. Why is Brady still standing after a game? Take a FUCKING RUN, you squishy cunts. (I mean the rest of the teams in the league here.)
Their backup quarterback never started in college and never started in the NFL. He got a few minutes of playing time in mop-up duty this year and was YANKED. Does that ever happen?
But the Chargers are going to let him pass all fucking day on them. So will the Packers. Lah-dee-dah, Mr. Brady, gee whiz, it's amazing to see you work, let me ask you this, will the Patriots be needing a third cornerback in two seasons when my contract is up? Whoop-teee!!!
How many coaches are even trying to win a football game on Sunday? Seriously - how many aren't trying to prove a point, or win "their way" or show someone up, or implement their system, or whatever else. Don't believe me?
Here is an article that basically says that Jon Gruden is only interested in winning football games if he can play field commander with his offensive troops. The Giants could rush the passer well and not stop the run, and 38 year-old Jeff Garcia was out there airing it out. I can tell you first-hand that Sean Payton was more convinced about winning "his way" then actually "winning" this year: he called a fucking reverse between Reggie Bush and the guy in the NFL who had the MOST FUCKING DROPS THIS YEAR. Do you think he cared, Ben? Do you? Which do you think he said afterwards?
- "Shit. We lost the game. I feel terrible."
- "Shit. That play didn't work. Huh. They run it in practice... weird."
Well, I happen to have the answer key for you. It was ... well, pretend I put a "B" up there, because the first play called the next week was practically the same play. That was Payton saying to the world, "See? See!!? My system works!"
Mike Martz, as Rams coach against the Panthers in the playoffs. Lovie Smith ever since he started Rex Grossman. Jim Haslett, refusing to start Delhomme in the last three games of 01 or 02 when Brooks had a broken shoulder. Matt Millen. Mike Nolan, after taking a spread QB first overall and then trying to make him a drop-back passer. Do you know how many Super Bowls those guys have won as head coach and/or GM? Zero. Do you know how many they have won combined in those roles? [spoiler]Zero.[/spoiler]
THEY HAVEN'T WON A FUCKING THING YET AND STILL REFUSED TO "DO IT" ANY OTHER WAY THAN THEIRS.
Martz could have ran teh fucking ball.
Smith could have traded for Donovan McNabb, or drafted a QB at any point in the last 3 years.
Jim Haslett could have started Delhomme.
Matt Millen could have ... well, he sort of breaks the mold.
Mike Nolan could have installed an offense that played to his #1 overall pick's strength.
But fuck no they aren't going to do it.
So the Patriots play in a league where, I'd say, 80% of the head coaches aren't interested in winning as the top thing. Yeah, big guys, those Patriots. It's like keeping track of the time it takes you to get to work in the morning on I-25 when everyone else is on a cell phone. Great, you made it there in 33 minutes. To EVERYONE ELSE on the road, the conversation they were having was more important.
So no, I'm fucking not impressed with the Pats this year. Good for them, hope they go 19-0 and Brady throws at a fucking 92% (JESUS CHRIST BLITZ HIM AND HIT HIM YOU DUMB FUCKS) clip again. Wonderful. Great.
The greatest team of all-time will still be the '85 Bears, followed by the '89 49ers or the '78 Steelers.
[quote="Sports Pinner"]This isn't the '72 Dolphins. This is the [i]greatest football team of all time[/i], the closest any team has ever come to "solving" the game of football.
They are the standard by which all other teams, past and future, will be measured.
As someone who appreciates the [i]artistry[/i] of the game, I would think you of all people would savor this opportunity to be part of such a unique, magnificent accomplishment.[/quote]
Really. The artistry of the game. Huh. Well. Hmmm.
Well, I didn't want to do this, but here we go:
[b]WHY THE 2007 PATRIOTS AREN'T THAT IMPRESSIVE AND WHY THEY AIN'T THE GREATEST TEAM OF ALL-TIME[/b]
Before I get into that, let me get into something else. I believe I have a unique perspective, having witnessed more seasons of absolutely abysmal football than the rest of you combined.
In 1999 Ricky Williams takes an incident-laden contract for the New Orleans Saints and suffers a high ankle sprain in pre-season, as piece of shit Zach Thomas hits him five yards out of bounds. Ricky never gets going in 1998, and the Saints fire their coach. Why was Williams hit? A worthless fuck on the Dolphins (who everybody else in the world loves) was so [i]enraged[/i] that Williams would dare [i]hint[/i] at ushering in a modicum of personal responsibility and performance-for-pay that Williams had to be injured.
In 2000, Jeff Blake leads the New Orleans Saints to a 7-3 record going into week 11. His foot is broken on a desperate play by Lance Johnstone, who I hope is now dead.
More, the 2000 Raiders attempted to take out the opposing quarterbacks of every team they played, in order to go against inexperienced backups. This worked until they faced the Ravens, who had one of the best defenses of all-time and frankly, it didn't matter which scrub they threw out there. The Ravens beat the Raiders in the AFC Championship game that year.
In 2006, noted piece of human excrement Bart Scott wrenches Reggie Bush's foot after a play. After safely flying back home and far from anyone who would retaliate, Scott cackles to a local news program that he was just giving Bush's foot a "little bit of hot sauce."
(If you are familiar with my work on this BBS, you may be aware of all these things.)
Jeff Blake, Ricky Williams, the Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks and Reggie Bush have all been said to be disappointments. Yet, there was still someone in the NFL who couldn't fucking stomach the thought of them having any motherfucking success, to the point where some of the more marginal players in the league (or in Bart Scott's case, stupider) threw out salaries, threw out any sense of brotherhood, threw out the fact that they were all millionaires and just tried to go fuck somebody up.
Why is this significant? [b]BECAUSE NOBODY HAS DECIDED TO RIP TOM FUCKING BRADY'S KNEE LIGAMENTS APART.[/b]
In 2007/2008 we are living in a world where the average thug in the NFL is so sated, and so cognizant that it is just a business, that he can't even be bothered to step up for his *own* quarterback, much less take a run at the opposing team's. New England played Buffalo early in the season where Buffalo quarterback J.P. Losman was intentionally injured. Losman! One of the worst players in the history of the NFL. How did the Bills respond? Did they say to themselves, "We are going to get crushed anyway, might as well take out Brady?" "We are going to avenge our guy?" Of fucking couse not. Who is Losman to them? He won't even be on the team next year, and if they decide to cripple Brady they might lose a game check.
Do I blame Brady for this? Of course not! When you are one step above a crack dealing thug, like in the case of Scott, Thomas or Johnstone, and the only thing keeping you out of jail is the NFL, of course you are going to absolutely freak if you see somebody get too many commercials (Williams, Bush) or if you feel you can bully some poor slobs (Ravens quarterbacks). Brady keeps a low profile. He does gay male model shit, but who would know that?
But my point is, you can't be considered the best team of all time until you've faced some fucking adversity. (And I don't believe for a second that the '72 Dolphins are the best team of all time, not even close. But they did do it with their backup QB for a stretch, which gives them the advantage over these guys.)
Just because we happen to live in an era where most of these pussies would rather not do anything to lower themselves in Belichick's eyes (because, hey, maybe Bill will sign them and they can get the cheap ring) it doesn't automatically put a team like the 07 Patriots to the head of the class. Their linebackers are slow and old. They've never had to run the ball down the field and ice a game. They've never faced any adversity. Every offensive coordinator in the fucking league is apparently too stupid to throw down the middle of the field, where they have been weak for years. You want to take Moss out of the game? Hit him. It's been done before. He's been beat every time one of his teams has made the playoffs. Why is Brady still standing after a game? Take a FUCKING RUN, you squishy cunts. (I mean the rest of the teams in the league here.)
Their backup quarterback never started in college and never started in the NFL. He got a few minutes of playing time in mop-up duty this year and was YANKED. Does that ever happen?
But the Chargers are going to let him pass all fucking day on them. So will the Packers. Lah-dee-dah, Mr. Brady, gee whiz, it's amazing to see you work, let me ask you this, will the Patriots be needing a third cornerback in two seasons when my contract is up? Whoop-teee!!!
How many coaches are even trying to win a football game on Sunday? Seriously - how many aren't trying to prove a point, or win "their way" or show someone up, or implement their system, or whatever else. Don't believe me?
[url=http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/13/Bucs/Gruden_s_ways_still_t.shtml]Here[/url] is an article that basically says that Jon Gruden is only interested in winning football games if he can play field commander with his offensive troops. The Giants could rush the passer well and not stop the run, and 38 year-old Jeff Garcia was out there airing it out. I can tell you first-hand that Sean Payton was more convinced about winning "his way" then actually "winning" this year: he called a fucking reverse between Reggie Bush and the guy in the NFL who had the MOST FUCKING DROPS THIS YEAR. Do you think he cared, Ben? Do you? Which do you think he said afterwards?
- "Shit. We lost the game. I feel terrible."
- "Shit. That play didn't work. Huh. They run it in practice... weird."
Well, I happen to have the answer key for you. It was ... well, pretend I put a "B" up there, because the first play called the next week was practically the same play. That was Payton saying to the world, "See? See!!? My system works!"
Mike Martz, as Rams coach against the Panthers in the playoffs. Lovie Smith ever since he started Rex Grossman. Jim Haslett, refusing to start Delhomme in the last three games of 01 or 02 when Brooks had a broken shoulder. Matt Millen. Mike Nolan, after taking a spread QB first overall and then trying to make him a drop-back passer. Do you know how many Super Bowls those guys have won as head coach and/or GM? Zero. Do you know how many they have won combined in those roles? [spoiler]Zero.[/spoiler] [i]THEY HAVEN'T WON A FUCKING THING YET AND STILL REFUSED TO "DO IT" ANY OTHER WAY THAN THEIRS.[/i]
Martz could have ran teh fucking ball.
Smith could have traded for Donovan McNabb, or drafted a QB at any point in the last 3 years.
Jim Haslett could have started Delhomme.
Matt Millen could have ... well, he sort of breaks the mold.
Mike Nolan could have installed an offense that played to his #1 overall pick's strength.
But fuck no they aren't going to do it.
So the Patriots play in a league where, I'd say, 80% of the head coaches aren't interested in winning as the top thing. Yeah, big guys, those Patriots. It's like keeping track of the time it takes you to get to work in the morning on I-25 when everyone else is on a cell phone. Great, you made it there in 33 minutes. To EVERYONE ELSE on the road, the conversation they were having was more important.
So no, I'm fucking not impressed with the Pats this year. Good for them, hope they go 19-0 and Brady throws at a fucking 92% (JESUS CHRIST BLITZ HIM AND HIT HIM YOU DUMB FUCKS) clip again. Wonderful. Great.
The greatest team of all-time will still be the '85 Bears, followed by the '89 49ers or the '78 Steelers.