Draal wrote:A four minute mile... If there is ever a reason for anyone to run away in the opposite direction of anything, guess the story Darwin will tell?

I totally missed this the first time around. I re-read this tonight and pulled the DURRRRRRRSCH face. Christ, that many people running that fast should be a sideshow in the circus where they throw fog out and substitute the original runners when nobody can see what happened. I bet that event and the annual soup can throw relay teams don't really get hit with a bunch of pickpockets in the crowd.

Draal wrote:create a leaden layer of self importance

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:On the part of who?

Noticed many people trying to justify their decisions or how they are, through trying to impose a whole system of self reference, self reward, and continual importance through several layers.

Football feeds off the interest of the people watching and trying to propagate itself through many channels and many avenues of life. News as well (a trite example), with government giving the story tellers stories, and the story tellers reaching out and making politics at least appear as an important, all encompassing aspect of the world.

Idea of systems is a bullshit idea, here though, are groups of people giving over groups of people reason to exist and continue to do what they have always done, giving them reason and motivation to be a certain way.

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Yeah, but did one of the contestants have like a cellar full of guns? Come on now, you have to be impressed with how much that guy was packing. And we would have never known about this without.... professional football!

A four minute mile... If there is ever a reason for anyone to run away in the opposite direction of anything, guess the story Darwin will tell?

Involved in a Civil War Re-enactment once, and charging anything carrying twenty pounds of gear and a bayonet is quite fun (then going out and getting to play with the british equivelant). Carried more than six guns at one point, since I died early and ended back at the line, reloading the rifles.

And people know about football, while they may not know about the Pan flute or a chiliagon; its about how a certain aspect is raised above another without it actually being raised above another (just knowing about one item, instead of something else; assume all information is inherently equal in not possessing any traits worth knowing, then trying to analyze why certain ideas are expressed more than others. Which doesn't say anything).

And your right; I completely forgot about HUMAN BEINGS just being human beings (whatever that is). Forget the great "Symbolic" aspect of everything, and remember that the world is merely about "Who gets drunk, when and where."

Draal wrote:Fantasy football leagues

This is just an excuse for guys who went to college together to stay in touch. If more towns with colleges had better job prospects than the college everyone just went to, fantasy football would be a lot less popular.

keeping track of stats

Well, this doesn't happen that much outside from the stupid stats tracked by the sports reporting media. Who suck, yes.

reading commentary and following the players,

This is just an excuse to yell at people over the Internet, which is always good, clean fun.

create a leaden layer of self importance

On the part of who?

Anyway, I once watched a track race that clocked in with everyone running at least a 4:35 minute mile, with the fastest time being 3:53.

Yeah, but did one of the contestants have like a cellar full of guns? Come on now, you have to be impressed with how much that guy was packing. And we would have never known about this without.... professional football!

Football curiously delegates three dimensional structures to a two dimensional field; and if I think about it, the ability to go for five hours in heavy armor is an accomplishment.

The Romans used to, at the end of the Olympics, have soldiers in full suit run the hundred yard dash as the closing ceremony.

Football is a team sport that falls into not really being a sport though, eh? Fantasy football leagues, keeping track of stats, reading commentary and following the players, create a leaden layer of self importance that mystifies what really happens and makes the games themselves, just another part of a larger entity (and what a franchise may be; taking a general image and applying it to aspects that delegate from the original attraction (cartoons selling toys and blankets, brands being brands (and Fantasy Football leagues would keep interest in the main event in its absence; a sort of constant reminder and sustaining motivator for people to remind themselves and make it important, even in the absence of the "original article" (how cultures thrive and expand? Make certain aspects of the culture the base of daily life, reinforcing and making their machinations both natural, habitual, constant, and a percieved necessity instead of "Just Another Way")))).

Anyway, I once watched a track race that clocked in with everyone running at least a 4:35 minute mile, with the fastest time being 3:53.

Draal wrote:Why football games? Isn't it silly being crowded around a television and being invested in people, places, that have no bearing on ones life besides the value that are placed on them in relation to ones own?

No. The entirety of news and the Internet celebrates the failing of others. I like to take three hours on Sundays in the fall and winter to celebrate man's accomplishments.

Plus I am amazed by the athletic ability and strategy of the players and coaches.

Bop!

Or the statements are all unimportant; why is it important that she cried? I didn't think of it as a comparison with her response at the funeral until I read the messages above; maybe the social aspect is merely a way of framing the percieved importance of certain events over others.

Why wasn't her time talking and smiling as important as the crying? Or why were any of her movements or those around her, important at all? The percieved value of one event, and the way that event unfolds, is the underlying framework of socialization?

I read a book except it takes one person to point out a certain passage as vital, then an entire group of people handing around this idea, for it to be a reality. Catch phrases and quotes could be explained in this context, and the viewed importance of a certain action during a certain event, or the importance of that event or the percieved importance of that event in occurring at all.

Maybe the view of an event being an event? The problem is with attributing certain actions, and attributing certain actions as actions. Why funerals? Why football games? Isn't it silly being crowded around a television and being invested in people, places, that have no bearing on ones life besides the value that are placed on them in relation to ones own?

Or she was merely doing what she wanted to do, by crying. No action gives a great personal loss unless that action is viewed as giving a loss; "giving in" is only unreasonable when it is viewed as "giving in," which would be considered a loss because it contradicts a persons own will, or the percieved value of their will?

If an action is taken without any attachment or expectation, then the action is neutral and simply passes; the existance of memory gives the ability to compare and make relative statements, decrying a change or new state as contradictory to the previous and this is expressed as either "being bad" "being less" or "being something else."

Viewing the actions and responses of those around is interesting, especially with the inability to know anything except their outward machinations; why did she cry? what progression of events have allowed her to cry? What is she thinking? Why is she here to cry? And what allowed her to? Or allowed, as in providing an oppertunity for a suitable framework for this action to be displayed.

Being concious of will, inclination, and the fury of unrest and the feeling of being drawn only by outside forces.

I didn't want to go, but after reading that, now I want to go.

Bip!

Attended a "game day party" accidently two weeks ago, when I happened to find myself over at a house finishing a project.

Theres a projector in the next room, and I went over and I allowed myself nachos, assorted dips, and pizza from the fare spread out on the table, and heard crying while my back was turned.

It was a friend crying over the game, a girl I attended a funeral with who didn't display any of the usual "grief by crying" protocols and she is jumping all around, screaming, flaying with everyone else, and crying for joy or sorrow.

There isn't a set event that calls forth a certain emotion or reaction; to everyone in the room, this was acceptable. A tension was in the air as well, with the jeering, jumping, running, and the response, energy, attention, that the game was being by everyone in the room.

The great social structure, calls forth this response when something is taken away or in peril; a life that cannot be restored, or an item or object that is dear. Except all these objects are tied to a persons reaction by the value that they are given, a certain willingness to act in a certain way because of the memory the previous state of the object was given, and a created awareness, a self willed force stature, of doing what is believed to be acceptable by those around them.

It'd be simple to "cry" and become agitated if anything someone has invested themselves in, suddenly became something else (at least to that person, maybe a quick change of perspective), especially when this action is reinforced by those around them. The normalcy contradicts the viewed reality.

Crying over the game was a reaction because of her investment, and gradual progression of physical agitation over the course of the event? Moving from watching, to paying attention, being tense over the next move, and then finally standing and screaming for the team.

A progression of thought and attention.

pinback wrote:Sports can be emotional, and you're an emotional guy.

Do you want to go? Is that what this is? Is this what you want?

Anyway, I've been dead inside, a walking human husk, for at least a year now. I haven't registered anything remotely resembling a human emotion in that time and I like it just fine. I suppose in a few years I'll re-get the chicken-crossing-the-road joke and then go back the way it was because emotions are just too unstable.

Sports can be emotional, and you're an emotional guy.

No, I didn't cry. What kind of question is that.

NFC = National Football Conference.

NFC?

Did you cry?

... That took place in 2007.

That's a nice field they have up there in Chicago. It must have set the city back a paycheck or one.