I really like that video - thanks, Nikos.

I am just one dude and I recently came across the limits of my programming language - so there are limits, but the way that BG3 has affected me is as such:

- I have a shovel in the game as a weapon. It can also be used to dig. I WAS coding my game in a way where when I thought of something that should be revealed by a shovel, I added it. What I think I ought to do is really handle *everything* that could be dug. The whole game, I should think about that shovel.

- I love that there is a main character that the rest of the characters react to. "Tav" is the ear for the rest of the party. They are all trying to bang Tav. The love that player character, can't get enough. While it is too late for me to change the perspective of my game to where whoever is in the first slot gets all the focus, it's obvious to me that people love the interactions between characters. I have a lot of that in Cyberganked, but I will not feel shy about adding more.

There's more but I have to switch back to work. I like that BG3 is a triumph of design. It really is the designers that made this game so special. If Doom is a triumph of the programmer, and Photopia or Portal 2 is the triumph of the writer, and Star Citizen is the triumph of the producer, then I think BG3 is the best example of designers leading the way for a game.

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[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey" post_id=148355 time=1745137172 user_id=3]
It has made me realize my own WIP is not releasable, not with this thing out there in the world.
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You're not the only one who feels this way. Except everyone else simply came out to state that players shouldn't expect BG3 to have much impact on other games because that would be an unrealistically high standard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfGQAlANKWs
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I'm on the fence with this. People that didn't play a lot of real DnD beforehand were "blown away by choices". Those of us that did are used to so many choices it's hard to choose.

I feel like Cyberganked is more of a narrative vision combined with a true Ultra-Wizardry style gameplay and as long as it fulfills it's own purpose rather than DnD 5th edition expectations it will be awesome.

[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey" post_id=148355 time=1745137172 user_id=3]
It has made me realize my own WIP is not releasable, not with this thing out there in the world.
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You're not the only one who feels this way. Except everyone else simply came out to state that players shouldn't expect BG3 to have much impact on other games because that would be an unrealistically high standard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfGQAlANKWs

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It is indeed Dungeons N Dragons 5th edition online. Our tabletop campaign that is reaching an end is held in Avernus; one of the hells where Karlach is from.

Now that crossplay is out I have started playing with a friend who never played dnd and man I’ve had to reload so many times due to his noob factor lol. Still having fun though. That will make the 3rd character/game I’ve started.. this time as a blonde male Elf Bard (never played a bard in dnd!)
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I had a bard character in real life 2nd Edition AD&D!

I think the character I remember playing as a teenager were:

Human male Paladin (my main character named Caliban).

Human male Cleric (nobody wanted to be a Cleric, so when I was the DM, I would have "Haunt Hunter" come with us. He was like 6'8" and a black guy and basically looked like 1970s Marvel Comics character Blade. I did a thing where I rolled 4d6 and kept whatever I happened to roll, rather than do 4d6 as many times as necessary until I got a good set of dice rolls. I think he had all stats that were between 9 and 11 and maaaybe he had a 15 in wisdom. I just wanted to try a character who wasn't some superhuman freak of nature, but like a normal dude, as far as D&D goes.)

Half-elf male Bard (Kevin the Red Marquis). This is where I may have started doing voices and accents, a characteristic I wish I was better at to this day. I probably had finished The Bard's Tale by the time this guy came along, so I was all into Bards in the 1980s. It was the decade of the Bard.

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Kathy is playing and enjoying this. For hours a day. I encourage you to reach out and say, yes this is a good game.
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I should probably make this the game I write about next for my little dumb PROJECT. I am glad Kathy is enjoying it.

It is very possible that lots of other RPGs are this good, I just haven't been able to force myself to get 10 hours in until they get to the sweet spot that BG3 is in for me. I am not downing other RPGs. Boy, I hope this doesn't make it so that I cannot go back to them. That would be rotten.

[quote=RealNC post_id=148338 time=1745059992 user_id=914]
One thing you should know about this game is that it's designed a little like a text adventure when it comes to anticipating what you're going to try. People have been trying to "break" the game by doing things that "the developers surely haven't thought of," and it turns out the developers did think of them. Even the dumbest things are acknowledged and handled. With full dialogue. So in almost all cases, there's multiple ways to achieve a goal, including non-obvious ways.

I'm not sure I have ever seen a big mainstream game that comes even close to what BG3 is doing. If there's ever been a game where you can truly do whatever you want, this one is it.
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It has made me realize my own WIP is not releasable, not with this thing out there in the world.

I am not watching my nephew for the first time in a while. It is 2:18AM and I have been playing BG3 for at least 4 hours. I needed this.

It is indeed Dungeons N Dragons 5th edition online. Our tabletop campaign that is reaching an end is held in Avernus; one of the hells where Karlach is from.

Now that crossplay is out I have started playing with a friend who never played dnd and man I’ve had to reload so many times due to his noob factor lol. Still having fun though. That will make the 3rd character/game I’ve started.. this time as a blonde male Elf Bard (never played a bard in dnd!)

One thing you should know about this game is that it's designed a little like a text adventure when it comes to anticipating what you're going to try. People have been trying to "break" the game by doing things that "the developers surely haven't thought of," and it turns out the developers did think of them. Even the dumbest things are acknowledged and handled. With full dialogue. So in almost all cases, there's multiple ways to achieve a goal, including non-obvious ways.

I'm not sure I have ever seen a big mainstream game that comes even close to what BG3 is doing. If there's ever been a game where you can truly do whatever you want, this one is it.

Kathy is playing and enjoying this. For hours a day. I encourage you to reach out and say, yes this is a good game.

I will try to articulate WHY I like the game at some point. I am worried that if I analyze it, I will stop enjoying it or stop playing it.

I reached a point where the game told me that if I continued going the direction I was going, it would be "bitterly difficult". (The Mountain Pass.)

There is an Underdark ? Underworld thing that I did not explore. The game implies you can take either way to get where you are going - the Underdark or Mountain Pass. But the internet says you can do both and encourages you to do so, so you can level up.

Okay, this is one of the best games I have ever played. Don't hit me.

There is a huge patch dropping today and I really, really hope it does not corrupt my save file. I was just getting into it. (After 21 hours.) (After more content than ever existed for, like, Firefly, this video game is finding itself. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY.)

With games in active development, sometimes I just wait for the game killing bugs to be solved. They did fix the problems I had moving around.

I am in a spot now where I have four characters and a druid that turns into a bear. We are going to try to get out of the goblin lair, and the druid says, hey guys, I may beat the crud out of every goblin we see. I can't control it!! I am at the 21 hour mark. I was going to say that there was a lot of ........ not fighting in my last few hours. I may get to exterminate a castle of goblins, which I would enjoy.

You could make the greatest character study ever for John Wick 7, but at some point you have to have him murdering like 80 guys. It is the same with RPGs. I am very much going through stretches of this where there is no combat. I do enjoy the combat. Because we have a fake/false timer, and because I hate those, I am not letting the voice acting play all the way through. I am reading a lot of dialogue about it. We are on the fourth "This guy will fix my disease OOOPS your princess is in another castle!!" piece. There isn't a single thing like that in Cyberganked because I hate that.

I bought Betrayal at Krondor on gog after. I may start a thread about it.

Games in the -- PC games in the 90s. They ask a LOT of us 25 years later, man. Why is it I can hop onto Asteroids and instantly know what to do. Betrayal at Krondor was getting 94% reviews and "game of the year" talk and everything. We'll see, I guess.

Didn't encounter that bug either! You are having a bad string of luck with this game.

Maybe try to click "o" for overheard view long enough to get them out of that spot?

BG3 starts out with what I believe is a fake false timer. It's fake AND false! Unlike Fallout, where if you aren't making progress toward getting that water chip you could lose, the mind flayers at the beginning of BG3 who have infected the party didn't infect them with something that turns the party into mind flayers after 7 days. I know this because if the game DID do that, and caused everyone who dawdled to have to restart, the fact that this game was played by so many people who are not CRPG veterans means that it would be [b]the only topic that could have existed on the internet when these babies realized they had to start over.[/b]

Crying online is now part of the computer games platform.

So you have infinite time to solve the initial problem, I am sure of it. But I can't stand not solving that first problem. Maybe that means I miss side quests. I have 20 minutes a day to play games, maybe. I can handle the missing side quests. I want to get the brain worms out of my head. If I don't get them out, some of my party members may leave the fantasy adventure campaign and try running a Presidential one.

It is very frustrating for me when trying to move my party around. There are spots that look like nice grass that I should be able to get to. And I just can't. I will load a screenshot up. I am hot on the trail of the NEW guy who is definitely going to cure the brain worms and definitely WON'T create his own link of this chain quest like the last two people that I had to find did.

I can't get to the area just above my character here:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/CKgpP6By/20240619132307-1.jpg[/img]

I went back in to get the screenshot, and I sort of have to click on rocks now to navigate. So the clear areas and trails don't work. What the hell.

Steam's search - which I wanted to use for this - does the very very very stupid thing of not just letting you search for "clicking", it brings up all instances of the word "click." I got so frustrated I just stopped. I may stop with the game. It's too buggy just moving around.

I beat the game on “balanced” last Sunday. Got a rare Steam achievement for it too for the way I did it!

Already started a new game as Laodamas; an evil human warlock and returned to him today. It’s really like playing a new game because of the different things that are happening due to moving different places at different times and making different choices.

I went to play tonight and moved my character around in a town and she fell into an invisible "chasm" and died.

It seems like a bug.