by Tdarcos » Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:40 am
Flack wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:23 am
The problem with unreliable narrators in films is that we the audience are seeing things that aren't taking place in the film's universe. Occasionally, in films like
Fight Club, this can be done with great effect. But then there are films like
The Usual Suspects, which is entertaining until you realize that the entire film is a visual depiction of the story Verbal Kint (Kevin Spacey) is spinning in the police station. At the end of the film it is revealed that all the major points of his story were made up, pulled from objects within the detective's office. Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw in
The Usual Suspects actually happened.
If I take it literally, then yes, nothing in the film actually happened. It's fiction. There was no explosion at the Port of Los Angeles/Long Beach, there were no dead bodies, there is no Keyser Soze, Verbal Kint, Detective Lujan, or a guy giving a description, in a foreign language, to a translator and a police sketch artist. Kevin Spacey was not arrested, and there was no interrogation by a police officer. It is all a story.
I am presuming this is
not what you meant when you said, "literally nothing we saw in
The Usual Suspects actually happened,"
Now if we take it in-universe, you're saying there was no explosion, no discovery of over a dozen dead people, no one was arrested, there was an interrogation though, nobody walked out of the station with a fake limp they dropped shortly thereafter, and he did not get into a car driven by a Japanese man. All of these things happened outside of the interrogation scenes, but since "Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw in
The Usual Suspects actually happened," then even the reason for the interrogation never happened.
I am not happy with people using the term "literally" to mean something happening in a manner other than exactly what they said. I took it when you wrote, "Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw in
The Usual Suspects actually happened," you meant, "Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw
that Verbal Kint described in his confession in
The Usual Suspects actually happened," but that is an inference on my part, and is not what you said, and were I to claim that, I would be putting words in your mouth. That would also be redundant, since that is
literally what you said earlier. :)
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The problem with unreliable narrators in films is that we the audience are seeing things that aren't taking place in the film's universe. Occasionally, in films like [i]Fight Club[/i], this can be done with great effect. But then there are films like [i]The Usual Suspects[/i], which is entertaining until you realize that the entire film is a visual depiction of the story Verbal Kint (Kevin Spacey) is spinning in the police station. At the end of the film it is revealed that all the major points of his story were made up, pulled from objects within the detective's office. Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw in [i]The Usual Suspects[/i] actually happened.
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If I take it literally, then yes, nothing in the film actually happened. It's fiction. There was no explosion at the Port of Los Angeles/Long Beach, there were no dead bodies, there is no Keyser Soze, Verbal Kint, Detective Lujan, or a guy giving a description, in a foreign language, to a translator and a police sketch artist. Kevin Spacey was not arrested, and there was no interrogation by a police officer. It is all a story.
I am presuming this is [u]not[/u] what you meant when you said, "literally nothing we saw in [i]The Usual Suspects[/i] actually happened,"
Now if we take it in-universe, you're saying there was no explosion, no discovery of over a dozen dead people, no one was arrested, there was an interrogation though, nobody walked out of the station with a fake limp they dropped shortly thereafter, and he did not get into a car driven by a Japanese man. All of these things happened outside of the interrogation scenes, but since "Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw in [i]The Usual Suspects[/i] actually happened," then even the reason for the interrogation never happened.
I am not happy with people using the term "literally" to mean something happening in a manner other than exactly what they said. I took it when you wrote, "Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw in [i]The Usual Suspects[/i] actually happened," you meant, "Other than the interrogation scenes, literally nothing we saw [u]that Verbal Kint described in his confession[/u] in [i]The Usual Suspects[/i] actually happened," but that is an inference on my part, and is not what you said, and were I to claim that, I would be putting words in your mouth. That would also be redundant, since that is [i]literally[/i] what you said earlier. :)