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Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:27 pm

I gotta start a new Ableton thread.

Re: Abelton Live

by Jizaboz » Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:18 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:35 am Right. We don't come here for solutions, we come here to dunk one another in acidic solutions.
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Re: Abelton Live

by Tdarcos » Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:06 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:52 pm Thanks. So you are where the rest of us were 15 years ago. Welcome to the party, pal.
Would you mind removing the dead body you threw on my car?

Let's not forget, I'm not a musician; I just record sounds as part of video recording or speech (reading Wikipedia articles). I had no idea let's say, how much 'heavief' use a musiciam does with sound in comparison.
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:52 pm This is the problem with trying to be an instant expert on things. COMMANDER.
I have never claimed to be an expert on anything. Nor have I ever tried to be.

Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:52 pm

Tdarcos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:34 pm
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 pm
Tdarcos wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:35 pm Once you said it was a DAE I then understood
It's a DAW, not a DAE.
I knew that. Look at the keyboard and notice the character to the right of "w". Typo.
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 pm You are welcome to post in every thread, we enjoy your posts. Don't exit this thread!
I'm trying very hard to make sure I'm relevant (or if not relevant, funny.)

Audacity does do multiple tracks, each of which can be mono or stereo, and allows tracks to overlay time lines, as well as volume adjustment. However, and this what I noticed from the example on Wikipedia, is that a DAW allows on-the-fly slider-based simultameous adjustment of tracks. Audacity is a completely different way of working with sound from a DAW which is oriented toward per-track adjustment in real-time, e.g. track 4 is lower by 10db for 5 seconds at 2:37, track 3 is higher by 2db for 2 seconds, allowing simultaneous multitrack adjustments. That's the difference. A DAW focuses on the tracks; Audacity focuses on the timeline. They both are useful sound editing tools but each focuses on a different type of job.
Thanks. So you are where the rest of us were 15 years ago. Welcome to the party, pal.

This is the problem with trying to be an instant expert on things. COMMANDER.

Re: Abelton Live

by Tdarcos » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:34 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 pm
Tdarcos wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:35 pm Once you said it was a DAE I then understood
It's a DAW, not a DAE.
I knew that. Look at the keyboard and notice the character to the right of "w". Typo.
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 pm You are welcome to post in every thread, we enjoy your posts. Don't exit this thread!
I'm trying very hard to make sure I'm relevant (or if not relevant, funny.)

Audacity does do multiple tracks, each of which can be mono or stereo, and allows tracks to overlay time lines, as well as volume adjustment. However, and this what I noticed from the example on Wikipedia, is that a DAW allows on-the-fly slider-based simultameous adjustment of tracks. Audacity is a completely different way of working with sound from a DAW which is oriented toward per-track adjustment in real-time, e.g. track 4 is lower by 10db for 5 seconds at 2:37, track 3 is higher by 2db for 2 seconds, allowing simultaneous multitrack adjustments. That's the difference. A DAW focuses on the tracks; Audacity focuses on the timeline. They both are useful sound editing tools but each focuses on a different type of job.

Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:35 am

Right. We don't come here for solutions, we come here to dunk one another in acidic solutions.

Re: Abelton Live

by Flack » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:21 am

JC is the only forum where responding on topic is usually off topic.

Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 pm

Tdarcos wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:35 pm Jonsey, maybe I shouldn't have gotten into the conversation, but until you started your angry complaint, I did not see any mention of how it was different from a multirack editor. Once you said it was a DAE I then understood that Audacity doesn't work for that. The way you explained it, I had no idea. I'll run away now before I make things worse.
It's a DAW, not a DAE.

You are welcome to post in every thread, we enjoy your posts. Don't exit this thread!

Re: Abelton Live

by Tdarcos » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:35 pm

Jonsey, maybe I shouldn't have gotten into the conversation, but until you started your angry complaint, I did not see any mention of how it was different from a multirack editor. Once you said it was a DAE I then understood that Audacity doesn't work for that. The way you explained it, I had no idea. I'll run away now before I make things worse.

Re: Abelton Live

by Jizaboz » Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:43 am

Kind of off topic but while yes, Russia did kill a dog in space they later had a successful run with a dog. Also, the United States killed many animals in space research; mostly primates. The only reason we do not still do this is because we have proper computer sensors to take readings without the need for a biological specimen.

Also, the Russians are STILL getting our asses back and forth to the International Space Station. They just had to rescue us AGAIN from the ISS a few weeks ago because our shit failed to launch.

As far as the war goes, I'm sure there is propaganda on all sides. It's a complicated situation and not nearly as black and white as most people would like us to assume. As Zelensky actually said "There's a lot of money to be made here." and personally I don't really care who is wrong or right at this point. I just wish the stupid war would end. Pissing more money at it is not going to make it end any time soon.

Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:33 am

Tdarcos wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:15 pm Try again, Jonsey. The Soviet System ended in 1991. At most it might be Russian. but let's not equate people or groups in Russia from the Russian Government. We had this situation when people blamed returning Vietnam veterans for the US Government's prosecution of the military conflict.
Don't tell me what to do.

So, Russians are constantly throwing political misinformation out into the internet, causing our stupider countryfolk to fall for lies. Ohh that's not all Russians, just people trying to do a job, we shouldn't group them together.

Russians are constantly spewing their dumbass botnet script kiddie nonsense out into the world, to the point where it's easier for sites like this to just ban IPs from Russia. Ohh that's not all Russians, just the hackers, we shouldn't group them together.

Russians just decided to up and invade another sovereign nature like Ukraine, ooooh that's not all Russians, just the ones in their military.

Russians decided to kill a stray dog in space, ooooh that's not all Russians, just the cosmonauts.

Russians decided to ruin Audacity, ohh that's not all (etc).

And so on. At some point people will just start to lump them all together because they don't feel like going "Not all Russians" and call them Soviets and they don't need someone like you sticking up for them.
Since you have a reaasonable version that doesn't phone home, use it. Or, it is an open source application, if it bothers you, look throgh the code that handles telematics, dike it out, and recompile it as a fork. Aidacity has no reason to connect to the internet, so if any such code is present, disable it, then the issue is removed. Yeah, that's a drastic step, but bold problems require bold solutions.
This is incredible and you'll never know why. I was sick of the UI of a program and you suggested a totally different kind of program and I tried to politely tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about, and now you're barreling on about disabling telemetry code when I already told you that I have a version of a program THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION SINCE IT'S NOT A DAW and you wouldn't have the faintest idea where to start ripping out code anyway.

Re: Abelton Live

by pinback » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:16 am

I don't think "fork" was the term she had questions about.

Re: Abelton Live

by Tdarcos » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:01 am

Not-so-casual Observer wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:40 pm
Tdarcos wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:15 pm````
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:57 am " dike it out, and recompile it as a fork."
Wait... what are we talking about here?
I'm basically saying if he's not happy with the situation, since Audacity is free and open source, he can always use an older edition if he doesn't like the cuurent one, and since all of the actual instructions - the source code - is available, it is possible, although a difficult, to identify the places in that code where it uses the Internet to report information about the user, to disable those parts of the program, then rebuild it without those pieces, then redistribute it as an identified altermative version, a "fork" of the original program.

I am, of course, underplaying the amount of effort it would take to do that, and, absent some serious issue justifying the work involved, which could be several weeks or months. Jonsey doesn't have the time to do that, of course, all he wants is a program to handle multitrack music editing. My suggestion is like, you want a car with the features, comfort, and speed of a Norada (a fictional brand), but without it collecting personal information, and my response is, just go get a norada, its free and so are the reference manuals, disassemble it, remove the offending parts, then put it back together. It would be wildly impractical for someone to go to that much trouble.

Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:33 pm

Paul will get his spanking for that obnoxious post tomorrow.

Re: Abelton Live

by Not-so-casual Observer » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:40 pm

Tdarcos wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:15 pm
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:57 am " dike it out, and recompile it as a fork."
Wait... what are we talking about here?

Re: Abelton Live

by Tdarcos » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:15 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:57 am Yeah, before the Soviets ruined it,
Try again, Jonsey. The Soviet System ended in 1991. At most it might be Russian. but let's not equate people or groups in Russia from the Russian Government. We had this situation when people blamed returning Vietnam veterans for the US Government's prosecution of the military conflict.

Since you have a reaasonable version that doesn't phone home, use it. Or, it is an open source application, if it bothers you, look throgh the code that handles telematics, dike it out, and recompile it as a fork. Aidacity has no reason to connect to the internet, so if any such code is present, disable it, then the issue is removed. Yeah, that's a drastic step, but bold problems require bold solutions.

Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:57 am

Yeah, before the Soviets ruined it, version 1.2 or something was everyone's go to version. I have whatever the version is before the project got ruined. DATA COLLECTION!! /invades Ukraine Data collect how to build a 19th century tank first, fellas.

Re: Abelton Live

by Tdarcos » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:34 am

Audacity supports stereo and multi-track. If you don't like where its going like misuse of data, use an older edition. But, asx far as I know, Audacity does not use an internet connection. I'm not sure, but it might not even do on-line version checking. Cartaimly there is nothing it does that requires an internet connection.

Re: Abelton Live

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:53 pm

Tdarcos wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:24 pm Jonsey, what exactly are you trying to do? Since you don't mention it, for single- or multi-track audio editing there is one program that is probably the finest piece of software out there to do that, a best-in-breed, world-class application for audio composition and audio effects. Since you didn't mention it, maybe you just didn't know about it. It's called Audacity. Its interface is intuitive, and if there's something you want to do with sound and can't figure out how, you just haven't found a plug-in for it. Their website is here, you can download and try the software, and if you want to keep it, pay the low, low, price of $0. That's right, Audacity is a free, open source audio editing tool. No, wait, Aidacity is the audio editing tool to which all others are compared, and as an extra benefit, it just happens to be free and open source.
Lemme send you this - your data goes to Russia now because the people running the Audacity project are horrible:



I am using Ableton as it's a Digital Audio Workstation. I don't think Audacity has many of the necessary tools to make and export multi-track songs. I could certainly be wrong.

Re: Abelton Live

by Tdarcos » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:24 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:37 pm I know that even if I knew everything about it I would not be as productive as I'd like: I know how to do everything in Hugo, and I am at 10+ years working on the same game - but still, it's frustrating to have an excuse like this.
Not-so-casual Observer wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:37 am I have no idea what software actual musicians use these days...
Jonsey, what exactly are you trying to do? Since you don't mention it, for single- or multi-track audio editing there is one program that is probably the finest piece of software out there to do that, a best-in-breed, world-class application for audio composition and audio effects. Since you didn't mention it, maybe you just didn't know about it. It's called Audacity. Its interface is intuitive, and if there's something you want to do with sound and can't figure out how, you just haven't found a plug-in for it. Their website is here, you can download and try the software, and if you want to keep it, pay the low, low, price of $0. That's right, Audacity is a free, open source audio editing tool. No, wait, Aidacity is the audio editing tool to which all others are compared, and as an extra benefit, it just happens to be free and open source.

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