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This isn't music, but it is audio
Every few years I do a reading of the Chess article on Wikipedia. It's kind of fun even if it is a lot of work. If you're interested, go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess, dcroll down to the bottom, asnd there's a gadget on the page to play or download the audio file of the article.
Did the original article in 2007. Took 1/2 hour to read. Did a re=read in 2011, took just ovedr an hour. The latest re-read, which I just uploaded today, took 1 hour and 13 minutes.
The most time consuming part of doing any media, whether it's a video, or in this case, an OGG audio file (a non-patent encumbered alternative to MP3) the problem isn't the making of the content, it's the editing in post-production.
I don't care how good a speaker you are, I suspect if you're not normally doing readings on a regular basis, you'll make misteakes. Misreed a word that isn't there, drop a word that is, choke on a pronunciation. So what I do is when I catch it, I stop, back up about a sentence, and restart. This gives me enough "target surface" in post to find a point in the audio before where I made a mistake, mark this point, find the place just past the same point in the correction, e.g. the next word, then cut the erroneous and duplicate pieces out.
Cutting digital audio with a tool like the free and open source Audacity program makes it very easy to do the work, and if you do it right, often the result is absolutely seamless, the listener will never know you cut anything.
It amazes me to think about the fact that as recently as the 1980s, to edit audio required using a reel-to-reel tape, a razor and splicing tape to do this. And where I missed a word and can take a copy of the word from elsewhere and paste it in, would require making another copy of the tape or the segment, cut the piece from the copy, then splice that in.
If you do this a lot hopefully you'd have a splicing bench, a work area with a combination tape rest device - to endure splices lined up - and a cutting arm to make precise cuts. The fictional character Tyler Durden supposedly uses a device like this - probably a Movieola - for editing 35mm film in Fight Club so he can insert one or more pornographic stills into a film showing in a theater.
With these kinds of digital tools and some patience, cuts can be perfect. Unlike, say, Nixon and the 18 1/2 minute gap that his secretary "accidentally erased.' Yeah, right, more like 'accidentally on purpose erased.' My personal opinion of that excuse was that it was total [expletive deleted].
But anyway, video editing takes about 60:1 or one minute of post for each one second of video. It seems like audio is much faster, coming in at 6:1, so the one and 1/4 hour audo file took about 7 hours to edit it.
Did the original article in 2007. Took 1/2 hour to read. Did a re=read in 2011, took just ovedr an hour. The latest re-read, which I just uploaded today, took 1 hour and 13 minutes.
The most time consuming part of doing any media, whether it's a video, or in this case, an OGG audio file (a non-patent encumbered alternative to MP3) the problem isn't the making of the content, it's the editing in post-production.
I don't care how good a speaker you are, I suspect if you're not normally doing readings on a regular basis, you'll make misteakes. Misreed a word that isn't there, drop a word that is, choke on a pronunciation. So what I do is when I catch it, I stop, back up about a sentence, and restart. This gives me enough "target surface" in post to find a point in the audio before where I made a mistake, mark this point, find the place just past the same point in the correction, e.g. the next word, then cut the erroneous and duplicate pieces out.
Cutting digital audio with a tool like the free and open source Audacity program makes it very easy to do the work, and if you do it right, often the result is absolutely seamless, the listener will never know you cut anything.
It amazes me to think about the fact that as recently as the 1980s, to edit audio required using a reel-to-reel tape, a razor and splicing tape to do this. And where I missed a word and can take a copy of the word from elsewhere and paste it in, would require making another copy of the tape or the segment, cut the piece from the copy, then splice that in.
If you do this a lot hopefully you'd have a splicing bench, a work area with a combination tape rest device - to endure splices lined up - and a cutting arm to make precise cuts. The fictional character Tyler Durden supposedly uses a device like this - probably a Movieola - for editing 35mm film in Fight Club so he can insert one or more pornographic stills into a film showing in a theater.
With these kinds of digital tools and some patience, cuts can be perfect. Unlike, say, Nixon and the 18 1/2 minute gap that his secretary "accidentally erased.' Yeah, right, more like 'accidentally on purpose erased.' My personal opinion of that excuse was that it was total [expletive deleted].
But anyway, video editing takes about 60:1 or one minute of post for each one second of video. It seems like audio is much faster, coming in at 6:1, so the one and 1/4 hour audo file took about 7 hours to edit it.
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I think what AArdvark may have been getting at is if you enjoy chess so much, there are a mountain of books written by grandmasters and world champions that analyzes the game on every level and for every level of player, as well as software to actually play the game on and analyze your moves, and puzzles designed to sharpen your tactics? Why in the world are you going back to some hack wiki article?Tdarcos wrote:Because the article isn't static, it changes regularly.AArdvark wrote:Why more than once in a lifetime?
I can add a recommendation list of books and software if you want?
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What I was getting to was"
Why do it at all?
Who listens to your MP3?
What's the target audience you hope to reach?
Where is the clip available?
What do you gain by recording said article?
Do you also record other articles?
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Why do it at all?
Who listens to your MP3?
What's the target audience you hope to reach?
Where is the clip available?
What do you gain by recording said article?
Do you also record other articles?
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AArdvark wrote:What I was getting to was"
Why do it at all?
Who listens to your MP3?
What's the target audience you hope to reach?
Where is the clip available?
What do you gain by recording said article?
Do you also record other articles?
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Oh, this clears things up a bit. I usually can't stand reading what Paul has to say so I only read the title, skim a few words out, and then either attack him for being fat and disabled, or try to contribute something I think he might enjoy.
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AArdvark Asks:
What I was getting to was"
And like a cat eating tuna, I await wiith baited breath.
Why do it at all?
Because it's fun.
Who listens to your MP3?
1. As I stated, it's not an MP3, it's an OGG. MP3s are subject to patent restrictions and technically Fronhaufer Institute expects royalties on programs that make them.
2. Presumably, someone who wants to know what is in the article. Or someone who can't read. Or someone who wants to hear it read while reading it. Or someone who is blind.
What's the target audience you hope to reach?
Anyone who wants to learn more about the subject and would rather listen to it.
Where is the clip available?
There is a playback widget on the bottom right corner of the page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess
To look at the upload page, go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AChess.ogg
to download the clip directly, use https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... /Chess.ogg
What do you gain by recording said article?
A good feeling for doing something useful and the satisfaction of completing a significamt piece of work.
Do you also record other articles?
Clever, inserting a link to Asperger's syndrome there. I haven't really been interested in them enough to do so. I did write an entire article, actually two of them, on mainframe object file formats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOFF and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_Object_File_Format and I'm very proud of the quality of the articles.
What I was getting to was"
And like a cat eating tuna, I await wiith baited breath.
Why do it at all?
Because it's fun.
Who listens to your MP3?
1. As I stated, it's not an MP3, it's an OGG. MP3s are subject to patent restrictions and technically Fronhaufer Institute expects royalties on programs that make them.
2. Presumably, someone who wants to know what is in the article. Or someone who can't read. Or someone who wants to hear it read while reading it. Or someone who is blind.
What's the target audience you hope to reach?
Anyone who wants to learn more about the subject and would rather listen to it.
Where is the clip available?
There is a playback widget on the bottom right corner of the page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess
To look at the upload page, go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AChess.ogg
to download the clip directly, use https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... /Chess.ogg
What do you gain by recording said article?
A good feeling for doing something useful and the satisfaction of completing a significamt piece of work.
Do you also record other articles?
Clever, inserting a link to Asperger's syndrome there. I haven't really been interested in them enough to do so. I did write an entire article, actually two of them, on mainframe object file formats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOFF and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_Object_File_Format and I'm very proud of the quality of the articles.
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I can't believe this could be the end."
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Thank you. In view of the request, I have also recorded, uploaded and marked the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/asperger_ ... References . The audio file is displayed by a widget on the page at the start of the References section on the right-hand side near the bottom of the article.In Paul's defense... wrote:Paul managed to produce a very professional recording here.
"I really feel that I'm losin' my best friend
I can't believe this could be the end."
- No Doubt, Don't Speak
I can't believe this could be the end."
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It was actually AArdvark's dick request for you to record the berg audio. I'm still in my "feeling bad about things I said to you" phase on this forum.Tdarcos wrote:Thank you. In view of the request, I have also recorded, uploaded and marked the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/asperger_ ... References . The audio file is displayed by a widget on the page at the start of the References section on the right-hand side near the bottom of the article.In Paul's defense... wrote:Paul managed to produce a very professional recording here.
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'Vark, clearly you never read the article. Too many contra-indications are present. For one, I have a vast interest in a lot of subjects. One of the important points of Asperger syndrome is a restricted interest in things, typically having narrowly tailored interest in one or a very small number of subjects.AArdvark wrote:Denial is one of the first symptoms.
I'm interested in almost everything.
The fact remains that diagnosing Asperger syndrome correctly requires specialized knowledge and education and familiarity with the subject through personal interviews and some knowledge of the subject's childhhood, And the characteristics mentioned occurring in childhood of people who have AS were not present in mine.
I got interested in law and specifically copyright law when I was twelve. I was considering becoming an architect because I was interested in building things. Then I discovered computers and realized you could do so much more.
And one of the big disqualifiers whas that I am a huge reader (no cracks here!) of fiction. I read lots of fiction when I was a kid, Science fiction, too, especially.
And if I don't have much interest in fiction - which is an important reqirement of people with AS since the general conditions that begin in childhood continue for the rest of the person's life - why did I write two books of fiction - both of which are available to people here if they want to download and read them - that together exceed 1,000 pages?
You and every one of the cretinous reprobates (CRs) on Caltrops are making the same mistakes. On the basis of a misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of the subject, lack of experience in psychiatry or analysis of human psychological characteristics, and compounding this with a complete ignorance of my own history and background, you and all the others blithely proceed to declare me to be inflicted with a medical condition for which you are both ignorant of, and unqualified to judge.
I'll say the same thing I've said to the CRs on Caltrops: if you have actual objective evidence for your claim that is valid, present it. Otherwise, quit blowing smoke out your ass and stop claiming something you have no evidence to prove.
I do not have Asperger syndrome nor autism because I don't fit the symptoms and none of you has provided any evidence to argue otherwise.
It's the same reason I do not believe in God: there is no evidence to prove it.
And in both cases the rules of logic demand the same thing: a positive claim (that I have Asperger syndrome and/or autism; that there is a god or there are gods) requires positive evidence, and claims made without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
Since no one who has ever accused me of possessing either Asperger syndrome or autism has presented any objective evidence (or even educated opinion by a qualified practitioner in the subject) - despite my requesting such evidence on more than one occasion - I reject such claims that I have the condition due to lack of any evidence at all from those making the claim.
Cut the shit comments about "this is denial" or other garbage which you use as deflection to attempt to blow smoke to hide your known ignorance. Show me evidence, objective proof which is verifiable and not your worthless opinion.
I am sick of people who are too stupid to know they don't know what the fuck they are doing making claims they have no business doing so, based on no evidence.
Show me objective evidence. Put up or shut the fuck up!
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I can't believe this could be the end."
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I can't believe this could be the end."
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Tsummary: Tdarcos has Asperger's.Tdarcos wrote:'Vark, clearly you never read the article. Too many contra-indications are present. For one, I have a vast interest in a lot of subjects. One of the important points of Asperger syndrome is a restricted interest in things, typically having narrowly tailored interest in one or a very small number of subjects.AArdvark wrote:Denial is one of the first symptoms.
I'm interested in almost everything.
The fact remains that diagnosing Asperger syndrome correctly requires specialized knowledge and education and familiarity with the subject through personal interviews and some knowledge of the subject's childhhood, And the characteristics mentioned occurring in childhood of people who have AS were not present in mine.
I got interested in law and specifically copyright law when I was twelve. I was considering becoming an architect because I was interested in building things. Then I discovered computers and realized you could do so much more.
And one of the big disqualifiers whas that I am a huge reader (no cracks here!) of fiction. I read lots of fiction when I was a kid, Science fiction, too, especially.
And if I don't have much interest in fiction - which is an important reqirement of people with AS since the general conditions that begin in childhood continue for the rest of the person's life - why did I write two books of fiction - both of which are available to people here if they want to download and read them - that together exceed 1,000 pages?
You and every one of the cretinous reprobates (CRs) on Caltrops are making the same mistakes. On the basis of a misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of the subject, lack of experience in psychiatry or analysis of human psychological characteristics, and compounding this with a complete ignorance of my own history and background, you and all the others blithely proceed to declare me to be inflicted with a medical condition for which you are both ignorant of, and unqualified to judge.
I'll say the same thing I've said to the CRs on Caltrops: if you have actual objective evidence for your claim that is valid, present it. Otherwise, quit blowing smoke out your ass and stop claiming something you have no evidence to prove.
I do not have Asperger syndrome nor autism because I don't fit the symptoms and none of you has provided any evidence to argue otherwise.
It's the same reason I do not believe in God: there is no evidence to prove it.
And in both cases the rules of logic demand the same thing: a positive claim (that I have Asperger syndrome and/or autism; that there is a god or there are gods) requires positive evidence, and claims made without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
Since no one who has ever accused me of possessing either Asperger syndrome or autism has presented any objective evidence (or even educated opinion by a qualified practitioner in the subject) - despite my requesting such evidence on more than one occasion - I reject such claims that I have the condition due to lack of any evidence at all from those making the claim.
Cut the shit comments about "this is denial" or other garbage which you use as deflection to attempt to blow smoke to hide your known ignorance. Show me evidence, objective proof which is verifiable and not your worthless opinion.
I am sick of people who are too stupid to know they don't know what the fuck they are doing making claims they have no business doing so, based on no evidence.
Show me objective evidence. Put up or shut the fuck up!
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Show me objective evidence.
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'Vark, clearly you never read the article. Too many contra-indications are present. For one, I have a vast interest in a lot of subjects. One of the important points of Asperger syndrome is a restricted interest in things, typically having narrowly tailored interest in one or a very small number of subjects.
I'm interested in almost everything.
The fact remains that diagnosing Asperger syndrome correctly requires specialized knowledge and education and familiarity with the subject through personal interviews and some knowledge of the subject's childhhood, And the characteristics mentioned occurring in childhood of people who have AS were not present in mine.
I got interested in law and specifically copyright law when I was twelve. I was considering becoming an architect because I was interested in building things. Then I discovered computers and realized you could do so much more.
And one of the big disqualifiers whas that I am a huge reader (no cracks here!) of fiction. I read lots of fiction when I was a kid, Science fiction, too, especially.
And if I don't have much interest in fiction - which is an important reqirement of people with AS since the general conditions that begin in childhood continue for the rest of the person's life - why did I write two books of fiction - both of which are available to people here if they want to download and read them - that together exceed 1,000 pages?
You and every one of the cretinous reprobates (CRs) on Caltrops are making the same mistakes. On the basis of a misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of the subject, lack of experience in psychiatry or analysis of human psychological characteristics, and compounding this with a complete ignorance of my own history and background, you and all the others blithely proceed to declare me to be inflicted with a medical condition for which you are both ignorant of, and unqualified to judge.
I'll say the same thing I've said to the CRs on Caltrops: if you have actual objective evidence for your claim that is valid, present it. Otherwise, quit blowing smoke out your ass and stop claiming something you have no evidence to prove.
I do not have Asperger syndrome nor autism because I don't fit the symptoms and none of you has provided any evidence to argue otherwise.
It's the same reason I do not believe in God: there is no evidence to prove it.
And in both cases the rules of logic demand the same thing: a positive claim (that I have Asperger syndrome and/or autism; that there is a god or there are gods) requires positive evidence, and claims made without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
Since no one who has ever accused me of possessing either Asperger syndrome or autism has presented any objective evidence (or even educated opinion by a qualified practitioner in the subject) - despite my requesting such evidence on more than one occasion - I reject such claims that I have the condition due to lack of any evidence at all from those making the claim.
Cut the shit comments about "this is denial" or other garbage which you use as deflection to attempt to blow smoke to hide your known ignorance. Show me evidence, objective proof which is verifiable and not your worthless opinion.
I am sick of people who are too stupid to know they don't know what the fuck they are doing making claims they have no business doing so, based on no evidence.
Show me objective evidence. Put up or shut the fuck up!
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'Vark, clearly you never read the article. Too many contra-indications are present. For one, I have a vast interest in a lot of subjects. One of the important points of Asperger syndrome is a restricted interest in things, typically having narrowly tailored interest in one or a very small number of subjects.
I'm interested in almost everything.
The fact remains that diagnosing Asperger syndrome correctly requires specialized knowledge and education and familiarity with the subject through personal interviews and some knowledge of the subject's childhhood, And the characteristics mentioned occurring in childhood of people who have AS were not present in mine.
I got interested in law and specifically copyright law when I was twelve. I was considering becoming an architect because I was interested in building things. Then I discovered computers and realized you could do so much more.
And one of the big disqualifiers whas that I am a huge reader (no cracks here!) of fiction. I read lots of fiction when I was a kid, Science fiction, too, especially.
And if I don't have much interest in fiction - which is an important reqirement of people with AS since the general conditions that begin in childhood continue for the rest of the person's life - why did I write two books of fiction - both of which are available to people here if they want to download and read them - that together exceed 1,000 pages?
You and every one of the cretinous reprobates (CRs) on Caltrops are making the same mistakes. On the basis of a misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of the subject, lack of experience in psychiatry or analysis of human psychological characteristics, and compounding this with a complete ignorance of my own history and background, you and all the others blithely proceed to declare me to be inflicted with a medical condition for which you are both ignorant of, and unqualified to judge.
I'll say the same thing I've said to the CRs on Caltrops: if you have actual objective evidence for your claim that is valid, present it. Otherwise, quit blowing smoke out your ass and stop claiming something you have no evidence to prove.
I do not have Asperger syndrome nor autism because I don't fit the symptoms and none of you has provided any evidence to argue otherwise.
It's the same reason I do not believe in God: there is no evidence to prove it.
And in both cases the rules of logic demand the same thing: a positive claim (that I have Asperger syndrome and/or autism; that there is a god or there are gods) requires positive evidence, and claims made without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
Since no one who has ever accused me of possessing either Asperger syndrome or autism has presented any objective evidence (or even educated opinion by a qualified practitioner in the subject) - despite my requesting such evidence on more than one occasion - I reject such claims that I have the condition due to lack of any evidence at all from those making the claim.
Cut the shit comments about "this is denial" or other garbage which you use as deflection to attempt to blow smoke to hide your known ignorance. Show me evidence, objective proof which is verifiable and not your worthless opinion.
I am sick of people who are too stupid to know they don't know what the fuck they are doing making claims they have no business doing so, based on no evidence.
Show me objective evidence. Put up or shut the fuck up!
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This has been attempted before on Caltrops.
"Show me ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that suggests I have Asperger's!" and then follows with fifteen pages of absolutely horrific, plain evidence of it.
He still never picks up on it, though, because... well, you know. Starts with an "A".
"Show me ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that suggests I have Asperger's!" and then follows with fifteen pages of absolutely horrific, plain evidence of it.
He still never picks up on it, though, because... well, you know. Starts with an "A".
I don't have to say anything. I'm a doctor, too.
You claim that others cannot diagnose you with autism because they're not a medical doctor, but then you go on to self-diagnose yourself as not having autism despite not being a medical doctor yourself...logically speaking...Would not their argument that you do indeed have autism be just as valid and worthy for discussion as your argument that you do not?
The one thing I have noticed about Paul more so than his unhealthy eating habits, depressing living conditions, and soul crushing disability, is his voice. His voice just sounds off, and I can't quite figure out why that is. He is clearly a very intelligent person, but his voice for some reason sounds like a cross between a castrato and Raymond Babbitt...
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You still do not get it and this proves your incompetence.pinback wrote:This has been attempted before on Caltrops.
"Show me ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that suggests I have Asperger's!" and then follows with fifteen pages of absolutely horrific, plain evidence of it.
He still never picks up on it, though, because... well, you know. Starts with an "A".
Evidence is not quoting someone else without more. Same as pointing to the world around us is not evidence of the existence of a god or gods. Evidence is objectively stated criteria, that can be measured and tested, and is subject to falsification.
Now, if you were to claim that excessive verbosity is a condition based on a published study by that author in this medical journal, that would be learned opinion. If you can point to a recognized symptom in the ICD-10, that would be good evidence.
Same if I had the habit of sentence a saying wrong, like some person with dyslexia, and condition that is diagnosis of, or unconscioous Yoda-speak, those would be good examples to use as evidence if it appeared in the DSM-V or the ICD-10 or some other reputable reference work.
If someone held up a piece of fruit shaped like a purple cube and said it was an orange, you'd reject the claim because the characteristics of the object do not meet the definition of 'orange'. that it is round and is not purple colored. And it is reasonable for you to do so because the evidence does not lead to that conclusion.
It's even more obvious when there is no evidence at all.
But you still provide nothing of objective, third-party opinion by qualified people or textbook material from a reputable source to validate your opinions. You provide nothing, so your claims having no evidence are dismissed without evidence as nothing.
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And you don't get it. The rules of logic dictate that those presenting the positive claim must provide the evidence for the claim.logically speaking... wrote:You claim that others cannot diagnose you with autism because they're not a medical doctor, but then you go on to self-diagnose yourself as not having autism despite not being a medical doctor yourself...logically speaking...Would not their argument that you do indeed have autism be just as valid and worthy for discussion as your argument that you do not?
If someone said I was guilty of stealing Yak Fat they would be required to prove it. If I say I did not do it, I need prove nothing; I have not made a positive claim, and as long as the person making a positive claim provides no evidence, their claims may be dismissed without any need to provide any evidence to rebut or disprove the claim..
"I really feel that I'm losin' my best friend
I can't believe this could be the end."
- No Doubt, Don't Speak
I can't believe this could be the end."
- No Doubt, Don't Speak