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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:54 pm
by Tdarcos
Also. "Three wheeled motorcycles or a motorcycle with a side car require only a

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:24 pm
by Flack
AArdvark wrote:Re: Snow vehicle

I was thinking more like getting out of a driveway with four inches of that heavy wet snow after the street plow has pushed it a foot deep near the end. I guess not driving it on those few days wouldn't break the gas budget.

Does it have A/C?
The Elio comes standard with air conditioning!

As for the deep snow, I dunno. According to the Elio website, the Elio has a ground clearance of 5.75". The ground clearance of my car, a 2013 WRX STI, is 5.9". The ground clearance of our Honda Crosstour is 8.1" and my truck is 8.6", so it seems more likely we would take one of those out if the weather's bad.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:32 pm
by Flack
Tdarcos wrote:
Flack wrote:Legally the Elio is considered a motorcycle since it has less than 4 wheels,
"Fully enclosed like a standard automobile, the vehicle's three-wheel design falls under the US government motorcycle classification." -

"Q: Is Elio a car or a motorcycle?

According to the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) “Motorcycle” means a motor vehicle with motive power having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground. So if it is less than four wheels it is a motorcycle." -

I am sure Tdarcos is right and Elio is wrong about what their vehicle is classified as.

Re: Continued

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:39 pm
by Ice Cream Jonsey

If the manufacturer originally issued a title for it in California as a motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, under the "full faith and credit" clause of the US Constitution, any other state would have to honor it and accept it as a non-motorcycle.
Not sure what happened. I didn't blank your post and neither did anyone else. It might have been a server hiccup.

All that shit with people getting on you about your posting, that is in the past now. To do it again would be tedious, sir.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:44 pm
by Tdarcos
The server is still nulling my posts in this thread.
Flack wrote: I am sure Tdarcos is right and Elio is wrong about what their vehicle is classified as.
They're referring to what Federal Law defines a motorcycle for federal safety and tax classification. What the vehicle is actually registered as, or the class of license you need to operate it, is a matter of state law.

If a state does not set a maximum weight limit, then the 3-wheeled car would constitute a motorcycle. But the state can exempt it from motorcycle operator licensing. In California, if you own a 3-wheel motorcycle, any motorcylcle over 1500 pounds, or one with a side car, it is registered, tagged and licensed as a motorcycle, but the operator doesn't have to have a motorcycle license or motorcycle endorsement to an operator's license.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:53 pm
by Flack
I contacted Elio. They said you are correct and that they are firing their entire legal and marketing departments and replacing them with mentally deficient notaries.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:17 pm
by The Happiness Engine
I would like some more insight into how a vehicle that is essentially a largish motorcycle engine pulling a HUGE motorcycle is twice as efficient as any actual motorcycle. Is it because they haven't built anything yet and everything is speculation? Let's also be fair, is it because it's geared like an endless after-school detention?

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:34 pm
by Flack
Elio has a couple of "mules" built with off the shelf parts that they are driving around the country right now. In those they put a 3-cyl engine out of I believe a Suzuki Swift. Over the past few months I have heard that the production engine will have somewhere between 55 and 70hp.

Right now they are claiming a 0-60 time of 9.6 seconds. According to Car and Driver, that blows the doors off of my old Yugo (0-60 in 14 seconds) and Geo Tracker (13.5) and puts it closer to my old Ford Festiva (10.1). That being said, this may be the only time anyone discussing the Elio uses the term "blows the door off". The Elio will be available in either a standard or an automatic; I'm guessing the standard will be slightly easier to merge.

Obviously the low HP and low weight (combined with aerodynamics) are what give you the high mpg. I'll bet you within a couple of years someone makes a kit where you can swap in a Hayabusa engine or something else a little more fun. You can say bye-bye to that 84mpg, but it'll be a hell of a lot more fun to drive at that point.

I do know the aerodynamics have a lot of to do with the mileage. The early shots of the Elio had the front wheel assembly "open" and it looked a lot cooler (to me). The newer ones have big boxy cowls surrounding the front wheels to cut down wind resistance.

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:40 pm
by Flack

Above is a shot of the "open wheel" design. I liked it better.

Below is the new, modified design. You can also see that they moved the headlights.


One other thing they've done is got rid of the back window. Apparently the way the side mirrors are, the view overlaps in the back and there's really no need for a rear window. You couldn't see out it with a passenger back there anyway.