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Atlas Shrugged vs Breaking Bad

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1) Atlas Shrugged is a poorly-written childishly-political screed, shambled together by a piece of Jew-hating, poor-baiting sociopathic Russian smegma who wouldn't have lasted two minutes without being sexually assaulted into a bag of nostril-searing dog food ("Rapey Train") in the shitopia she painfully labors to describe.

2) Breaking Bad is the best television show of all time.

I hope that fucking clears it up a little.

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I am standing and applauding you here, Mr. Jonsey.

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Re: Atlas Shrugged vs Breaking Bad

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Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:1) Atlas Shrugged is [stupidity deleted]
And you have read this book how many times? Your comment shows your complete ignorance and stupidity. It was unnecessary and rude, and I am sure you have never even read the book at all.

Your shambling and incoherent screed reminds me of the Ayatollah Khomeni issuing a fatwa death sentence against Salman Rushdie for his writing The Satanic Verses for its alleged blasphemy, despite the fact that at the time, Verses had only been written in English, and Khomeni could not understand or read English. Thus his response is based on a third-party's statement of what they think of the story.

If you dislike the story, say why based on your own reading of it. Give examples. Otherwise I shall dismiss your comments as what they are, the trolling of an idiot.

And that goes double for Pinhead, but in his case, his usual and customary practice of idiocy is so repetitious as to be ordinary behavior on his part. He's too stupid to understand what he's doing. I expected better of you and I am sorely disappointed.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged vs Breaking Bad

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Tdarcos wrote:If you dislike the story, say why based on your own reading of it. Give examples. Otherwise I shall dismiss your comments as what they are, the trolling of an idiot.
Are we enforcing "academic standards" here at Jolt Country? Should we format every post, opinion, and statement in MLA or APA format with citations and cite our sources?

Bloody christ, dude... I've read many books that you will never even touch, as you have ones that Jonsey and Pinback have zero motivation to devote themselves to. The difference is, I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.

This isn't fair though... I know your looking for emotional satisfaction from constantly working cliche and overused statements from Ayn Rand into conversation, so here you go...

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RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
RetroRomper wrote:I have no interest in flailing around my book learn'in as some martial implement to impale on ignorant peasants.
RetroRomper wrote:Thumbs down. Go read a book.
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Completely true!

In my defense, I had literally re-watched the entire Breaking Bad series in marathon form and became completely dissatisfied with moving pictures. So I went and read a book.

And it was good!

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Re: Atlas Shrugged vs Breaking Bad

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Tdarcos wrote:
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:1) Atlas Shrugged is [stupidity deleted]
And you have read this book how many times?
Once, in high school.


Your comment shows your complete ignorance and stupidity. It was unnecessary and rude, and I am sure you [/quote]

Rude? RUDE? Christ, Paul, Ayn Rand is not coming to this thread. She's not alive and on the Internet and able to read English well enough to see that. How the fuck was it "rude"?

The only thing I am able to piece together is that you are planning on writing a sequel to it. I don't get it. You feel ownership over something called "Atlas Rolled" or whatever.
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Atlas Shrugged is a poorly-written childishly-political screed, shambled together by a piece of Jew-hating, poor-baiting sociopathic Russian smegma who wouldn't have lasted two minutes without being sexually assaulted into a bag of nostril-searing dog food ("Rapey Train") in the shitopia she painfully labors to describe.


This is what's known as an OPINION. I don't understand how expressing an opinion is considered rude, specially on his own board.


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RetroRomper wrote:
Tdarcos wrote:If you dislike the story, say why based on your own reading of it. Give examples. Otherwise I shall dismiss your comments as what they are, the trolling of an idiot.
Are we enforcing "academic standards" here at Jolt Country? Should we format every post, opinion, and statement in MLA or APA format with citations and cite our sources?
No, but proceeding to trash a work that you haven't even read is the height of arrogant stupidity. You're not qualified to have an opinion on the validity or invalidity of a work save you have personal evidence to back up your comments.

If I say that Coors is the best beer in the world and Budweiser tastes like piss*, you can say well, that's my opinion. If I admit I don't drink beer at all and I'm making it up, well, then, my opinion has zero credibility.

And that is the state of your opinion. You've simply trashed as worthless a work you have neither read nor have any opinion about except either flights of fancy that you just did to try and bait me, or because you're ignorantly rote-parroting someone else.

If I admit, however, that all beer I've ever tried tastes terrible, then it's a reasonable opinion.

It's like Jules in Pulp Fiction in which he did not say that sewer rat tastes terrible, he said that "it may taste like pumpkin pie but I'll never know because I won't eat the filthy things." Here, he's not stating an opinion of which he has no evidence one way or the other, he's stating a preference.

If I say I don't like Jonsey's game Cryptozookeeper my opinion may be different from other people but at least I have a legitimate opinion because I have evidence to support my opinion: I played the game and did not like the fact i kept getting killed by it extremely fast. Now, perhaps there were other ways to play but at least my opinion carries some validity because I did in fact play the game. That does not mean you have to agree with me, it simply means that you respect the opinion of someone else because it is an educated and reasonable opinion even if you do not agree with it.

Now, I'd be more willing to accept the opinion even if I disagree with it, if it was based on someone's opinion from having read the book.

The writer of that opinion simply savaged the book for no reasonable purpose except just to smear something. This is on the order of people who ban books or demand the burning of books they've never even read because of what they think the books might say.

It's the hallmark of pure willful blindness and intentional ignorance. Of acting like a stupid cretin.

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AArdvark wrote:
Atlas Shrugged is a poorly-written childishly-political screed, shambled together by a piece of Jew-hating, poor-baiting sociopathic Russian smegma who wouldn't have lasted two minutes without being sexually assaulted into a bag of nostril-searing dog food ("Rapey Train") in the shitopia she painfully labors to describe.
This is what's known as an OPINION. I don't understand how expressing an opinion is considered rude, specially on his own board.
It's rude because he's not expressing an opinion; he's expressing a claim. He has no evidence to prove his opinion and if I asked him to show examples of why he made those claims, he would be unable to do so. Civilized dialog means you don't simply trash something this badly unless you have some evidence to do so.

If I go around saying Martin Luther King Jr. was a hypocrite, and nothing more, people would probably dismiss my opinion, potentially as racially biased. If I say he was a hypocrite because despite being a religious figure, he was a womanizer despite being married, then it's a little better. If I say he was a hypocrite because I heard one of his associates who admitted publicly that he was cheating on his wife, then my opinion has much more credibility - even if you don't agree with it - than a bare screed of someone who might be opposed to King's agenda or might be racist.

Oh that King was a hypocrite in this area doesn't detract from the work he did do in improving the conditions of black people, nor do his contributions negate the fact he was hypocritical in some areas. But there is a tendency among a lot of people to put important people up on a pedestal in order to tear them down.

In the case of people we can judge them on facts and inferences, especially those we have not or cannot meet. This is how we have reasonable opinions.

If a particular book has been trashed by someone based on nothing more than sneering and no evidence, then it's not an opinion, it's a screed.

And that's the whole point. He gave a thoroughly trashing and utterly savaging review of the book. So my question is, did you read the book and if not, where do you get those opinions from? To which I hear: silence.

I get this sort of thing from a guy named Charles Bell on the newsgroup humanities.philosophy.objectivism who proceeds to trash me, accusing me of being a hard-left socialist and making a bunch of false and misleading comments about me for the express purpose of making me look bad. When I post requests for him to prove one specific item he claims I said, that the gay congressman from Massachusetts was involved in a sex scandal because of genetics - which I did not ever say; he made the whole thing up - he can't prove it so he just ignores my requests for proof.
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And here you make an error a lot of people do; the First Amendment is not applicable here. There is no First Amenment right to speak in this context because there is no government involvement. Jonsey owns this board; he can say anything he wants to. And unless he proceeds to ban me I can say anything I care to do so.

But the fact of the matter was that Jonsey posted the thing just to bait me, thinking I would react to it. Instead, I said that I don't believe this is his opinion; proceed to show why he believes these things. And I was disappointed he would go that way.

I have never trashed anything he was interested in as savagely as he did this book (and without any evidence); clearly he should have known how such a comment about a work I care about a great deal would affect me. I was half-tempted to walk away. I will discuss my own feelings in a separate article.
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Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:
Tdarcos wrote:
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:1) Atlas Shrugged is [stupidity deleted]
And you have read this book how many times?
Once, in high school.
Tdarcos wrote:Your comment shows your complete ignorance and stupidity. It was unnecessary and rude, and I am sure you
Rude? RUDE? Christ, Paul, Ayn Rand is not coming to this thread. She's not alive and on the Internet and able to read English well enough to see that. How the fuck was it "rude"?
It was insulting to me and you did it on purpose just to bait me into reacting. You didn't make a statement in which you expressed, in ordinary terms, the reasons you didn't like the book. You proceeded to trash the book based upon a number of completely irrelevant points.

Richard Wagner was a wife beater; it doesn't detract from the fact he wrote a number of very significant pieces of music. I point out in an earlier article how Martin Luther King Jr. was a womanizer (and thus a hypocrite for being a religious figure while cheating on his wife) but this doesn't have anything to do with his actions in the civil rights movement.

Using the term "Jew hating" to apply to the author of the work is a "tar them both with the same brush" sort of irrelevant comment which has nothing to do with the book. Presuming you have knowledge of this in the case of Rand herself, explain to me exactly where in the book does it have even a single anti-Semitic comment?

This is why the comment is rude. It's more-or-less pure vitriol, and many of the points have absolutely nothing to do with the story.

The board changes the name "T.urner" [without the dot] into "Filippe J. Suckmonger" so I am inserting one. There's another example, should I claim your game Cryptozookeeper is a bad game because you run a BBS that changes the name Turn.er into Filippe J. Suckmonger? How is this relevant to the quality of that game?

Have you ever read The T.urner Diaries, the story of a look back from 100 years in the future to tell the story of Nat T.urner, the hero of the White Supremacist movement? I have, and in that book it demonizes Jews, and calling that book "Jew hating" would be a reasonable comment. Calling that book racist, since it demonizes blacks to the point of showing how when food supplies are low they resort to cannibalism, is also a valid comment. (I actually thought the book was hilarious; every target the book's author hates gets the worst white-wash treatment of vitriol and malice he can think of.)
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:The only thing I am able to piece together is that you are planning on writing a sequel to it. I don't get it. You feel ownership over something called "Atlas Rolled" or whatever.
You want to say you don't like the book, fine. You want to say that you didn't like this, this, this and this parts, fine. But you went much more than a mere opinion about the book, you proceeded to trash the book based on a whole bunch of irrelevant and clearly inflammatory comments, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with the book or its story, and nothing but a slam at the author. Most of these tend to be by people who don't like her ideas but can't argue against them (probably because they know she is right), so since her ideas are invulnerable to attack, they attack her personally.

Note how in earlier articles here I mentioned that I did not like the movie Fargo in which I said that the movie was slow, among other things I disliked about it. Note I did not say I didn't like the movie because the Cohen brothers were no-talent hacks, or that it was proven that Fargo was garbage because Raising Arizona sucked or because the actual incident wasn't in Fargo, North Dakota, but in Brainerd, Minnesota. I didn't raise irrelevant issues with respect to my comment about Fargo. You failed in this respect, and thus you lost mine.

I have written a book (I've actually written four), called "Instrument of God", and, of course, the whole 3 meg PDF, 720 page tome is available to download and read by anyone who cares to do so.

If you read the book and said you didn't like it, that's one thing. If you read the book and didn't like the overt sexuality in the book and the characters' open promiscuity, wife swapping and depictions of sex with underage girls and child rape, that's another. If you didn't like the book because you disagreed with its depiction of what the afterlife is compared to the typical opinions of what heaven is supposed to be, that's yet another reasonable opinion. If you read part of it and said you had to stop because it's unreadable, that's another. (This was the state I had with Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses, I found the book essentially unreadable after about 30 pages.)

All of these would be reasonable opinions of my book even if I didn't agree with them.

If, on the other hand, you declared my book was garbage because it was written by an obese, diabetic man in a wheelchair who doesn't even have a girlfriend, how exactly does this comment have anything to do with the content of the book? How does a comment like that represent anything other than an attempt to smear the book based on comments about the author?
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I know it's just the Wikipedia, but :
Galt is not necessarily intended to be a rounded or realistic character; he has been called "more a symbol than a person"[4] and "two-dimensional."[5] Mimi Reisel Gladstein describes Galt as "more icon than character."[6] Rand's own notes indicate that she expected the character to have "[n]o progression" and "no inner conflict" because he was "integrated (indivisible) and perfect."[7]
Let's assume that such a statement wouldn't be there, thanks to how many supporters your gal has on the net, if it wasn't true.

This is a kind of book we're supposed to treat as a modern-day masterpiece? With intentional characters that the author herself says have no progression and no inner conflict?

It's got characters the author thinks are "perfect"?

It's the work of a sick mind who doesn't completely understand interesting narrative.

THAT BEING SAID, it was *never* my intention to insult you, Commander. I don't understand - at all - how people wrap themselves so tightly together with works they haven't themselves created, but I apologize for offending you.
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I would like to hear Ray Gordon's opinion on the original topic of this thread.
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Tdarcos, has anyone actually ever read your book? Like, all of it?

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Seriously, Ayn Rand was a terrible writer. Are we clear on that? And before you ask me if I'm talking storytelling or just the putting-together-of-words, can't we all just agree that it's both?

Now, of course that hasn't stopped her from amassing a surprising number of disciples who dogmatically follow her. (It's amusing that, as hard as she denounced "dogma", she was so fast to NP someone who disagreed with her that it'd make David Miscavige's head spin. It's even more amusing to compare the cross section of ABSOLUTELY PERFECT HUMAN SPECIMENS that populate her books with the people who hung around her back in the day, and even those who today defend her the loudest.)

We won't get into how she was an even worse philosopher than she was a novelist.

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Harry Binswanger wrote:We won't get into how she was an even worse philosopher than she was a novelist.
Oh funny, really funny. Can you even identify what her philosophy was, and what is wrong with it? I'll bet you can't.
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Harry Binswanger wrote in November of 2011 wrote:We won't get into how she was an even worse philosopher than she was a novelist.
Oh funny, really funny. Can you even identify what her philosophy was, and what is wrong with it? I'll bet you can't.
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I started reading the book ONLY because I watched the movie the other day. I'm not waiting X number of years for the second half to come out.

Rand is kinda heavy on the descriptions. I'm skimming through a lot of ambiance paragraphs. Only have a half hour lunch, ya know. Just get the damn railroad built.

I wanted to throw in a rant about multi part movies but fuck it.


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Huh, movie never went into the brain drain aspect. Well, maybe a little but not to the point where everything's shutting down cause all the smart people are vanishing.

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I still feel like Breaking Bad comes out on top, in this debate.

I mean, how many Emmys did Atlas Shrugged win, huh?
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