Artists vs. their Art

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Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Casual Observer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:42 am

Jizaboz wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 11:03 pm
CO it strikes me a little odd that you have such a problem with the award thing. I would happily accept an award from what I thought was the worst president in history from any country if I were offered one. Maybe because I can could all of my awards on one hand with fingers to spare haha
Wait, I'm pretty sure I wrote that I didn't have a problem with Tiger's sex issues. No I wouldn't accept anything even a ribbon or even a handkerchief from fucknut Trump but that's not due to his pussy issues.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Tdarcos » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:07 am

Casual Observer wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 11:38 am
How did his infidelities affect any of us?
Tiger isn't the only one whose known infidelity has not affected him. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump - just to name two - both became even more successful despite being known as having been cheating on their wives.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Jizaboz » Sun May 12, 2019 11:03 pm

I think just about anything is a sport so long as it’s a competition. Take motor racing for example. I don’t really care for nascar, but I used to be a dirt track racer and still enjoy watching loud things compete on dirt in a circle.

I watched some of the last Tiger Woods win live and occasional other golf games because of a few reasons:

1. I just happened to catch it on TV and I knew it wouldn’t distract me from work.

2. I just got a new TV so the grass and stuff looks cool.

3. My grandparents on dads side really liked golf and got me into playing some as a kid and also enjoying games such as Top Players Golf for the Neo Geo which I still enjoy to this day.

4. Excellent nap material. Having golf on makes me want to get horizontal.

CO it strikes me a little odd that you have such a problem with the award thing. I would happily accept an award from what I thought was the worst president in history from any country if I were offered one. Maybe because I can could all of my awards on one hand with fingers to spare haha

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Flack » Tue May 07, 2019 6:11 am

I used to think there was an art to playing golf but since a sports match can't be spoiled, I guess not.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by pinback » Tue May 07, 2019 4:44 am

What a powerfully unique, interesting viewpoint!

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by RealNC » Tue May 07, 2019 4:32 am

Golf is not a sport.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by pinback » Tue May 07, 2019 4:13 am

It's really unacceptable. Oh well, I guess I just have to accept it.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Casual Observer » Mon May 06, 2019 7:27 pm

Oh well, he got worse today. I guess i prefer sports stars who don't accept presidental freedom medals from total pieces of shit fuck you tiger.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Casual Observer » Fri May 03, 2019 10:16 pm

Good point, that's a legit grievance. Fuck Tiger.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by pinback » Fri May 03, 2019 12:48 pm

I didn't care about that, I cared about him golfing with Trump.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Casual Observer » Fri May 03, 2019 11:38 am

pinback wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:35 am
Athletes are more about, are you still going to root for them and cheer them on. I've found recently that an athlete I've been a huge fan of for decades did something, not illegal, but distasteful enough to me that I find myself not caring about what he does anymore, or even actively rooting against him.

Screw you, Tiger.
I heard Rush Limbaugh going on about Tiger last week, he was all like "isn't it amazing how Tiger has earned a second chance after he's been so disgraced". That got me thinking about the start of this thread - I just can't figure out how Tiger cheating on his wife (who is now a multimillionaire) with trashy white women was so horribly disgraceful. He didn't roofee anyone, he didn't masturbate in front of unwilling women, he didn't jokingly pretend to grab a woman's tits by putting his hands nowhere near a flack jacket, he didn't even beat his wife. How did his infidelities affect any of us?

He was known as a golf prodigy, and yeah for his endorsement contracts he tried acting like a role model. Him turning out to have a fetish for trashy women makes me feel like he's a normal sports or celebrity guy, not some sort of magical guy who is perfect at everything. In fact, his wife coming after him with a golf club and the fact that he barely even bought the women fast food makes the whole story hilarious to me.

Pinner, how can you possibly let Tiger cheating on his wife obscure the fact that he's busted his ass for years to rehabilitate and play with an improved swing that doesn't destroy his body as much. He's paid his dues and worked his way back which is a great role model.

I thought we liked him for golf, not what he does with his penis.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by RealNC » Fri May 03, 2019 11:00 am

Liver failure. Too much poison.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Flack » Fri May 03, 2019 10:47 am

Someone dealt him aces and eights.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Fri May 03, 2019 10:30 am

How did they write him out? Just keeled over with a heart attack or something?

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by RealNC » Fri May 03, 2019 7:19 am

OK, I take it all back.

I just tried watching House of Cards season 6. It fucking sucks. I'd rather watch Kevin Spacey hit on a 14 year old on-screen in House of Cards, than watch House of Cards without him being in it.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Flack » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:31 pm

I know how you feel. While they were showing golf on TV I was binging seasons of Full House. #FreeAuntBecky

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by pinback » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:48 pm

pinback wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:35 am
Are we counting sports athletes here? I'm generally forgiving of "artists", because the stuff they already did, I mean... No matter how pervy Cosby was, "Noah" is always going to be funny. MJ could have murdered those kids instead of just raping them, and you will still get moving to Billie Jean. You'd never say "I really like Michael Jackson", but you will always have to say, those were some of the best albums ever.

Athletes are more about, are you still going to root for them and cheer them on. I've found recently that an athlete I've been a huge fan of for decades did something, not illegal, but distasteful enough to me that I find myself not caring about what he does anymore, or even actively rooting against him.

Screw you, Tiger.

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At the start of the week, I didn't care. For the first time, I was happy to see him not on top of the leaderboard on Thursday and Friday.

Then Saturday happened, and then Sunday happened, and as much as I protested about what a disappointment and an asshole he turned into, god damn if I wasn't there with a lump in my throat as he pulled off the impossible. It was like I was 25 years old again, and life still held some hope.

Yes, turns out, I can separate the artist from the art.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Billy Mays » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:35 am

If Louis C.K. was an architect then I would be completely disgusted by what he did, the fact that he is a comedian just makes it so his work is even funnier since he is pushing the boundaries of comedy like Lenny Bruce did back in the day.

Sorry if somebody else already made this point, I stopped reading the posts halfway through it.

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Jizaboz » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:31 am

Huh ice I didn't know Weinstein wasn't in jail or something by now. If what they say is true he sounds maybe worse than Cosby.. who honestly I obviously know nothing of and really don't care to read all the rumors and counter-rumors.

I agree with you Flack people get offended at most anything these days. I don't even recall the last time something truly "offended" me. On the other hand TONS of people & things "annoy" me.

This concept may be worse in Japan though..
https://www.polygon.com/2019/3/13/18263 ... ine-arrest

Re: Artists vs. their Art

by Flack » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:55 am

The Kevin Hart situation really brought to my attention the current mob mentality. When Hart was asked to host the Oscars, people dug back into his old tweets and comedy specials and said some of his old jokes were offensive. Based on that contrived backlash, the Oscars asked Hart to apologize for his old tweets. The thing is, Hart had already apologized for the old tweets. That didn't matter, and the Oscars asked him to apologize again. When he didn't, they canned him.

There's so much wrapped in this that I don't understand. Let me break it down.

01. I don't understand this whole movement where people try to get comics to apologize for insensitive jokes. Hasn't pretty every stand up comedian except Brian Regan and Seinfeld told an offensive joke by now? It's like follow around a sailor and asking them to apologize for talking like a sailor. It's what they do.

02. I don't understand why we go after some comedians but not others. When Eddie Murphy was awarded the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor award in 2015, where were the protests about his stand up specials? Or those leather pants?

03. I don't understand why people who are offended get to demand if and how people should apologize and/or atone for things they said. ("Apologize for those tweets." "I already did." "Well... do it again.")

04. Frankly, I don't understand why people who are offended have any power at all. When I was a kid, if someone called you fat, people just told you to "suck it up." I'm sure that went for anyone else who heard racist or homophobic insults. If I demanded an apology from the mean kids on the bus, they would have kicked my ass. I believe people have the right to say "I'm offended," but I don't get how they can follow it with "so you better...". I don't understand how random people have been empowered to take action after being offended.

05. I think the term/phrase "offended" is greatly overused. Unless it made you cry or see red, were you really offended? (If so, "suck it up.") Seriously though, how can people honestly say 9-year-old tweet from a celebrity they never met affected their life? I couldn't care less if Kevin Hart likes overweight Irish guys.

06. I think a good litmus test if you think you're offended is to say, "how can I contact this person or company personally and let them know I was offended." I don't mean sending a random tweet out into the twitterverse. I mean, how can you call Kevin Hart or Eddie Murphy or Bill Cosby or Michael (bring a Ouija Board) Jackson and say, "that hurt me personally." You can't. They're not talking directly to you, or about you. Even better, be prepared to tell them what you, not some rabid mob, plans to do about it. "Based on the fact that you may have drugged a woman 40-50 years ago for sex, I will no longer watch my Fat Albert DVDs." News flash -- Bill Cosby is legally blind and in jail. The fact that you're fake-offended by his sex life isn't the worst thing he's dealing with.

07. I don't understand why people are offended because other people are offended. "That's insensitive to people without legs." Well, use yours and walk on out of that conversation. People get so excited about potentially being offended that they look for things that might offend other people and jump on that bandwagon. Get a hobby, people. My caveat would be defending people who are defenseless -- but to me that's helping/assisting/defending someone, not being offended. People without legs don't need you posting online about how offended you are about jokes.

I think that's it. Time for my 4th cup of coffee.

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